"This is my playstyle" is a poor argument for being bad.

[Zojha]

Using kassatsu for Suiton/Doton (ayy lmao )

Ugh, had to use Kassatsu for Suiton myself a couple times when I was playing Nin. Packet loss swallowed Ten input (despite the animation showing), I went on with Chi & Jin only to realize I ended up having Hyoton. Well yeah...and then you're stuck between using that or trying to salvage a Huton.

And that's why I ended up switching to summoner.

[LunaSnowfield]

If it's falling off, they'd need to reapply it, espesically if there's nothing for them to attack. And all Doton ticks are crits when used with kassatsu.

Because is better to waste time and damage in the most useless aoe damage spell in the game than getting a 3k critical Raiton or a x2 1,5k Katon

[RiceisNice]

Because is better to waste time and damage in the most useless aoe damage spell in the game than getting a 3k critical Raiton or a x2 1,5k Katon

You're not armor crushing anything if it's inbetween pulls where you have nothing to hit. Doton is collectively 240 potency if all the ticks hit, compared to a 180 katon. Getting full duration on Doton with a katon is better than x2 katon for AoEing.

And even then, this is stretching into the realm of "You aren't playing at maximum efficiency" versus "You are playing deliberately bad" because they're losing mudras. Not exactly something to get anal able compared to the other things you listed (a healer that only stands still, or dps not using LB), since they are using their mudras and huton (and maybe getting off trick attack with that suiton)

[randysquirrel]

I'd like to see a parser introduced as part of the storyline, where the House Fortemps people get together and decide if you're doing enough dps. If not, you are banished from Ishgard and made to stay in the 2.0 areas

[Skivvy]

i would worry about myself messing up my own rotations rather than to stress myself worrying about other's. actually, i'd be more upset if you won't respond when i say, "hi", during dungeons runs.

lol, this is pretty much me. All I want is a simple hello!

[LunaSnowfield]

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A decent NIN ends every single pull with a full Huton duration There is no need to cast it again if you've a skill that gives you 30 seconds more of it unless you don't know how to keep your buffs on.

Doton needs a static target and 24 seconds for be useful, all the ninjutsus have 20 seconds CD. Meanwhile you're waiting for those "24 seconds of full dmg Doton" you can cast 3 Kations ( Hello Kassatsu ) . There is no option for use DOTON for DPS, maybe in PVP can be useful but then again you must be an idiot to stand inside of it.

[Odett]

A decent NIN ends every single pull with a full Huton duration There is no need to cast it again if you've a skill that gives you 30 seconds more of it unless you don't know how to keep your buffs on.

Doton needs a static target and 24 seconds for be useful, all the ninjutsus have 20 seconds CD. Meanwhile you're waiting for those "24 seconds of full dmg Doton" you can cast 3 Kations ( Hello Kassatsu ) . There is no option for use DOTON for DPS, maybe in PVP can be useful but then again you must be an idiot to stand inside of it.

Your argument would only make sense if you couldn't use other Ninjutsu while Doton was up. In situations with 3 or more mobs, Doton IS a DPS increase over Katon IF it lasts its full duration. If mobs take more than 24 seconds to die, then Doton trumps Katon. Using your own example, Doton+Katon+Katon beats triple Katon.

[Adire]

Because is better to waste time and damage in the most useless aoe damage spell in the game than getting a 3k critical Raiton or a x2 1,5k Katon

Uhhh....Doton with Kassatsu actually adds up to be more damage than crit Raiton if multiple mobs are present, and more than a Katon. Do the simple potency math. Parse it too if you don't believe me.

Doton has 30 potency per tick, with 8 ticks per use. It adds up to be 240 potency per mob. Raiton is 360 potency, superior against 1 mob, arguably 2 with burst damage being a thing, but 3 is where Doton starts to become superior, especially with Kassatsu. Doton just blows Katon out in overall damage vs its 180 potency. The only time you'd want to use Katon over Doton is when you need burst AoE or when the tank isn't keeping mobs inside Doton. Even clipping the remaining one tick on Doton with another Doton is superior aoe damage to using Katon.

And as RiceisNice said, sometimes there's nothing left to hit with Armor Crush. I start using the Armor Crush combo exclusively when things are almost dead to ensure Huton stays up without needing to use the ninjitsu, but sometimes tanks are slow to pull the next group, so that leaves one option: Huton. If the pull is so slow that you can fit a Huton Ninjitsu in without clipping it with the next fight, it's actually better to do it so you don't have to Armor Crush sooner.

But yeah, if you're going to be condescending, at least know what you're talking about. You're calling people bad but are failing to understand how these skills work....it doesn't look good.

[RiceisNice]

A decent NIN ends every single pull with a full Huton duration There is no need to cast it again if you've a skill that gives you 30 seconds more of it unless you don't know how to keep your buffs on.

Losing ~10 seconds off a mudra versus ~10 seconds off your huton timer, which means an earlier armor crush at the cost of AE. And even then, you're at the mercy of the tanks for the next pull, if it doesn't long enough you'll just end up doing AC on pull or recasting huton anyway because the remaining duration isn't long enough.

Doton needs a static target and 24 seconds for be useful, all the ninjutsus have 20 seconds CD. Meanwhile you're waiting for those "24 seconds of full dmg Doton" you can cast 3 Kations ( Hello Kassatsu ) . There is no option for use DOTON for DPS, maybe in PVP can be useful but then again you must be an idiot to stand inside of it.

Compare it to 2 katons and 1 doton then, it still beats out 3 katons. And if the mobs don't ever s tay in the AoE, thats more on the tanks because otherwise, flame arrow, shadowflare and bishop turret would also be garbage.

[LunaSnowfield]

Ayashi why are you calling people bad even if you didnt say it omg.

1) "but sometimes tanks are slow to pull the next group " is the tank fault not yours , what are you even talking about? we're discussing about DPS not how terrible and slow tanks can be. IF you're going to put cases like "if the tank died and i have to .. " please leave this thread or stop replying because its a shame.

2) Your party must be really bad ( or even you) for cast a double Doton against trash mobs in dungeons. NIN are a single -burst damage class , they aren't good against multiple targets, if your doton doesn't reach the 24 seconds of damage then you don't really need it and its a waste of time and dps.