"This is my playstyle" is a poor argument for being bad.

[sirDarts]

OP, if you're concerned about how people play the game, you should play with only your select group that you know will be skilled enough. Few things to keep in mind:

-Some people enjoy different things in game, and just having fun in dungeons (even if they include wipes or silly mistakes) may be part of this
-Not everyone has a need or desire to be the absolute best at a video game
-Not everyone is going to have the same amount of experience within a game
-Some people may be very young, very old, playing with disabilities, etc.


Playing with random people and holding them up to your ideal level of play is silly. Get stuck in a run you don't like? Tell them it's not working for you, and just leave. There is nothing wrong with abandoning a run if you want to, but there is also no excuse for chewing someone out because they "aren't as good" as you, or playing how you want them to (not saying you've done this, just a general statement!).

If you want to derp around, and perform not even mediocre, but completely terrible, you should play with only your select group that you know won't mind wiping on simple content and staying for 80 minutes in a dungeon. Few things to keep in mind:

- Some people enjoy different things in game, and want to actually clear content without having to pull a dead weight behind them
- Not everyone has a need or desire to carry players who can't be bothered to put any effort into the game
- Most people don't mind lack of experience

Playing with random people and forcing them to endure your lack of trying is silly. There is no excuse for pulling less than 30% of your possible DPS, losing aggro all the time, or letting people die, and you can't expect random people who don't know you to just carry you.

[dayspring83]

People brainstorm rotations, calculate formulae, code/re purpose programs and addons, debate, and collaborate to find the best and/or most efficient way to play their classes.

There's a reason that there is a "meta". If you're going to be hard-headed and respond with "but this is how I play" and waste other people's time, just uninstall FFXIV.

I'm looking at you undergeared, DPS stanced tanks who think they can hold aggro using taunt, Ice Mages, and 1000 DPS/second BRDs.

This isn't "Fight Your way."
This is "Fight this way or GitGud."

No seriously:

Strength Tanks make me sad.

[Skivvy]

while I agree generally, and I like to support people who share your sentiment - I think topics like this are more focused on people that choose such a selfish play-style that it comes at a cost to their teammates.

people who do things like watch Netflix on the side and refuse to turn their focus to the game when their group asks them to step it up because they're struggling. Or people that outright refuse to consider reasonable, well intentioned advice about cheap equipment upgrades to bring them in line with the dungeon's ilvl. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a casual approach to video games, in fact I would say it's preferable than the one that many hardcore players bring with them. But there is no excuse for lacking the respect to at least play the game attentively.

If this was the way the OP presented his concerns, I could see a lot more people getting behind this. For better or worse, a lot of these threads seem to turn into mindless bashing and things like:

This isn't "Fight Your way."
This is "Fight this way or GitGud."

No seriously:

If people are intentionally being lazy, or stepping into a fight with level 15 gear, I would agree that is rude and incredibly disrepectful. Unfortunately, people can play how they want in game, and this is when you may just have to bite the bullet and exit a duty.

On the plus side, I think most people in-game do play well with each other, even when it's obvious they're on different playing levels. Forums always make things seem so much worse than reality.

[Skivvy]

If you want to derp around, and perform not even mediocre, but completely terrible, you should play with only your select group that you know won't mind wiping on simple content and staying for 80 minutes in a dungeon. Few things to keep in mind:

- Some people enjoy different things in game, and want to actually clear content without having to pull a dead weight behind them
- Not everyone has a need or desire to carry players who can't be bothered to put any effort into the game
- Most people don't mind lack of experience

Playing with random people and forcing them to endure your lack of trying is silly. There is no excuse for pulling less than 30% of your possible DPS, losing aggro all the time, or letting people die, and you can't expect random people who don't know you to just carry you.

Good job at completely missing the point.

[Adire]

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Remind me to go into ice mage mode, no cooldown but huge pull dps stance mode, bootshine spam mode, doton spam without huton mode, or perma-cleric mode if we ever end up in a dungeon together since playing as badly as I like and holding the group up as much as I want just because I want to is okay by you.

Normally I'm too considerate of others to do this but you seem to be okay with it.

[RiceisNice]

Good job at completely missing the point.

To be honest, your post is in a completely different context of the topic/discussion. The general census is that "you should not be playing deliberately bad" and your post is "you shouldn't expect the absolute best out of people". You're throwing a wet vegetable into a hot fryer rather than a pot of boiling water.

[Skivvy]

To be honest, your post is in a completely different context of the topic/discussion. The general census is that "you should not be playing deliberately bad" and your post is "you shouldn't expect the absolute best out of people". You're throwing a wet vegetable into a hot fryer rather than a pot of boiling water.

If that really was the intent of the thread, you're correct, I misjudged it. What I got from the OP was that if you're not playing your job per the current Meta, you're failing at the game and should just uninstall.

[Skivvy]

If people are intentionally being lazy, or stepping into a fight with level 15 gear, I would agree that is rude and incredibly disrepectful. Unfortunately, people can play how they want in game, and this is when you may just have to bite the bullet and exit a duty.

Remind me to go into ice mage mode, no cooldown but huge pull dps stance mode, bootshine spam mode, doton spam without huton mode, or perma-cleric mode if we ever end up in a dungeon together since playing as badly as I like and holding the group up as much as I want just because I want to is okay by you.

Normally I'm too considerate of others to do this but you seem to be okay with it.

Never said I'm OK with people being lazy or intentionally slowing down a run. Now, it could just be that the person honestly does not know any better. Perhaps they're a BLM who leveled purely from fates, and has no FC. That could be a good time to give some tips. People aren't born perfect gamers.

[AnaviAnael]

Never said I'm OK with people being lazy or intentionally slowing down a run. Now, it could just be that the person honestly does not know any better. Perhaps they're a BLM who leveled purely from fates, and has no FC. That could be a good time to give some tips. People aren't born perfect gamers.

There's someone on the Aether data center who role plays as an ice mage and refuses to use anything but blizzard. I've also seen BLMs who refuse to use fire because "ice gives me infinite mp." Sometimes it's not about whether or not someone is willing to learn. Certain people want to play their way and damn the consequences.

[Adire]

Never said I'm OK with people being lazy or intentionally slowing down a run. Now, it could just be that the person honestly does not know any better. Perhaps they're a BLM who leveled purely from fates, and has no FC. That could be a good time to give some tips. People aren't born perfect gamers.

Not directly, no, but this bit:

OP, if you're concerned about how people play the game, you should play with only your select group that you know will be skilled enough. Few things to keep in mind:

-Some people enjoy different things in game, and just having fun in dungeons (even if they include wipes or silly mistakes) may be part of this

Sounds an awful lot like you're faulting people who expect some semblance of effort rather than people who don't feel like putting any in. The people who expect people to pull their fair share in a TEAM effort are not at fault. The people who have no problem with turning a normally 20 minute dungeon into an 80 minute dungeon and justifying the problem causers are. You shouldn't have to make a static to do casual content just because one person in DF has fun screwing around and putting the group through that, that person is at fault. The 4 people are put into a group to work as a group, not to go into lone wolf fun playground mode.

Not to mention, someone who has fun wiping and making silly mistakes is someone who isn't going to push themselves to be beneficial to the group. Part of improvement is having the desire to improve, being overly tolerant of your own mistakes during happenings like this is counterproductive. If someone has fun being deadweight and detrimental to the group, they need to leave and re-evaluate their mindset and try again later when they've actually taken into account that not everyone is there to waste time and not everyone has the time they may have to waste.

I'm sure I'd have fun playing badly, watching TV while I play or just doing it for laughs, but I'm not going to. Because it's more fun actually pushing yourself to see what your best is at any given time and more fun not being detrimental to your group and being "that guy/girl" that single handedly extends the run by 40 minutes because of a lack of care and sense of self importance.

Oh, and a BLM who levels off FATEs but hasn't figured out how the job works will need more than some tips from a random in DF, they'll need to go back to square one to learn everything from scratch. The Paladin I had in Snowcloak who was unstanced, not using combos, not using flash, only RoHing one mob comes to mind. He was beyond our help and on top of that called me an elitist for advising him to go back to early dungeons to learn the basics after attempting to explain why he should combo, flash, etc. That's why you should make sure you learn the basics of your job while leveling.