"This is my playstyle" is a poor argument for being bad.

[Nadirah]

Averax, stop giving me flashbacks of last night in Sohm Al.

[Zojha]

Yeah, in WoW, if you failed so terribly to do your actual rotation you'd be kicked without a word to tell you why.

To be fair...it's hard to remember exactly, but I think back in WotLK? Cata? my Rogue rotation pretty much was:"Mutilate, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom, Mutilate..." with the occasional Shiv, S&D or Vanish -> Garrote mixed in. Whatever it was, it was a joke compared to any FFXIV class. And my mage wasn't any better.

On that note, maybe we should create some "simple" classes that can perform efficiently without combos or OGCD management. It doesn't make people any better, but they get better results with the same level of play, which appears socially desirable.

[Skivvy]

OP, if you're concerned about how people play the game, you should play with only your select group that you know will be skilled enough. Few things to keep in mind:

-Some people enjoy different things in game, and just having fun in dungeons (even if they include wipes or silly mistakes) may be part of this
-Not everyone has a need or desire to be the absolute best at a video game
-Not everyone is going to have the same amount of experience within a game
-Some people may be very young, very old, playing with disabilities, etc.


Playing with random people and holding them up to your ideal level of play is silly. Get stuck in a run you don't like? Tell them it's not working for you, and just leave. There is nothing wrong with abandoning a run if you want to, but there is also no excuse for chewing someone out because they "aren't as good" as you, or playing how you want them to (not saying you've done this, just a general statement!).

[Averax]

To be fair...it's hard to remember exactly, but I think back in WotLK? Cata? my Rogue rotation pretty much was:"Mutilate, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom, Mutilate..." with the occasional Shiv, S&D or Vanish -> Garrote mixed in. Whatever it was, it was a joke compared to any FFXIV class. And my mage wasn't any better.

On that note, maybe we should create some "simple" classes that can perform efficiently without combos or OGCD management. It doesn't make people any better, but they get better results with the same level of play, which appears socially desirable.

Got it, we should add hunters to FFXIV.

[Fevelle]

-Some people enjoy different things in game, and just having fun in dungeons (even if they include wipes or silly mistakes) may be part of this

I queued for my High roulette today on SCH, we got Wanderer's Palace. The tank haven't run the dungeon for ages, and we got lost, the Tonberry got up to us and started stabbing everyone, so while I desperately Lustrated everyone with Eos dead, we had to run to the boss room (while pulling every mob in the way and sprinting) and pull him to close the arena, my BLM friend almost got locked outside and died, poor thing.

It was the most fun I had in the game today. Just wanted to share and add: stop taking things too seriously on this game, maybe the fact that people not playing 100% bothers you so much is because you yourself isn't having fun with the game.

[Averax]

Averax, stop giving me flashbacks of last night in Sohm Al.

S-should i ask?

[Jijifli]

I think some people have missed the point. There's no demand for perfect play, and anyone demanding perfect play should not be taken seriously. People just want you to actually do something. Those undergeared tanks that go into dps stance? I hate healing them. I can't dps because of how squishy they are and they honestly aren't bringing much more since DPS are pulling it off of them. Those Ice mages? I see them commonly and they never listen. I've actually reported a few for botting due to very... botish actions in my groups. The bards that hate WM? They're standing still anyways. Where's the problem in just turning it on?

Sure, you paid up $13-15 to play like I did, but here comes the catch. I paid for my time and you paid for your time. I should not have to sit in a 50 minute expert dungeon because you don't want to do anything but press one button to dps. And lord help you if it's both dps.

[Yallaid]

I queued for my High roulette today on SCH, we got Wanderer's Palace. The tank haven't run the dungeon for ages, and we got lost, the Tonberry got up to us and started stabbing everyone, so while I desperately Lustrated everyone with Eos dead, we had to run to the boss room (while pulling every mob in the way and sprinting) and pull him to close the arena, my BLM friend got locked outside and died, poor thing.

It was the most fun I had in the game today. Just wanted to share and add: stop taking things too seriously on this game, maybe the fact that people not playing 100% bothers you so much is because you yourself isn't having fun with the game.

while I agree generally, and I like to support people who share your sentiment - I think topics like this are more focused on people that choose such a selfish play-style that it comes at a cost to their teammates.

people who do things like watch Netflix on the side and refuse to turn their focus to the game when their group asks them to step it up because they're struggling. Or people that outright refuse to consider reasonable, well intentioned advice about cheap equipment upgrades to bring them in line with the dungeon's ilvl. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a casual approach to video games, in fact I would say it's preferable than the one that many hardcore players bring with them. But there is no excuse for lacking the respect to at least play the game attentively.

[AnaviAnael]

while I agree generally, and I like to support people who share your sentiment - I think topics like this are more focused on people that choose such a selfish play-style that it comes at a cost to their teammates.

That's pretty much how I understood the topic.

[TouchandFeel]

Hopefully there is a tenant we can all agree to abide by.

Don't be an ass and force people to play your way.

This includes people trying to force others into playing at an excessive level of perfection beyond necessary competency for the content.

This also includes people forcing others to pick up their slack because they are too busy watching Netflix, chatting with friends or are just too lazy to do the basics required of them. If you are just sitting there doing virtually nothing while everyone else is putting in effort plus some, you are forcing them to play the way you want, ie. making them do more so you can do less.

This game is built around group content, so function as a group and do your best for the group as a whole because by helping the group, which you are a part of, you are helping yourself.