Savage Mode Dungeons

[Mastanight]

So, over 4 million players, and none like a good challenge???

[Staris]

So, over 4 million players, and none like a good challenge???

Who says challenges have to be built into the game reward system?

You want a challenge clear an expert with a set group and time it.
Proceed to attempt to beat that time by shaving off every second you can using any means available.

That's what my group does when we are required to farm experts when we are preparing for content.

Trust me we make it far more challenging and competitive than any developer would release content as. (as to not isolate 99% of the paying population)

As a bonus you get shit done faster and learn valuable optimizations that can help you in raids.

[Azazua_azura]

Why must it be if DF?

I'm not all that fond of DF due to my negetive experiences on it on the NA servers which prompted me to switch to a jp server.

I even had a few negative experiences on jp side (though severely less often) DF has become a lifeless tool with silent players. Even the English plauers on the data center no longer say hi, there is lil to no communication for reasons in the dungeon, and agreeing how to prodece. Its spend as less time in there as possible and that it.

People don't use DF outside of end game raids or selling runs or fate parties. Getting a party for other stuff is hit or miss, or takes hours.

So again why must it be DF?

[Mastanight]

Like I said and others have said, unless you are playing current up to date content there is no chance of trying older content. How does players try something a year old then if few are even wanting to try at all? Duty Finder simplifies party forming and quicker with open world party forming, so unless you are up to date on the newest Savage, I guess forget trying ever?

[Belhi]

Like I said and others have said, unless you are playing current up to date content there is no chance of trying older content. How does players try something a year old then if few are even wanting to try at all? Duty Finder simplifies party forming and quicker with open world party forming, so unless you are up to date on the newest Savage, I guess forget trying ever?

Frankly using DF your still very unlikely to get a group. As I just stated, Savage doesn't really offer anything to make it worth it and just getting Coil groups in DF involves hours of queuing if your lucky. Almost no one is going to be interested in running Savage Coil in its original form. Those who do go for it are likely going to be doing it in undersized groups.

[Mastanight]

Frankly using DF your still very unlikely to get a group. As I just stated, Savage doesn't really offer anything to make it worth it and just getting Coil groups in DF involves hours of queuing if your lucky. Almost no one is going to be interested in running Savage Coil in its original form. Those who do go for it are likely going to be doing it in undersized groups.

To tell you the truth, most content is very easy. Yes, some is difficult, but before you can even try to do anything they nerf it. So, seems strange I'm the only one that has an interest in Savage, for the purpose of challenge. Players should try, and with duty finder, this would be more easily accomplished.

[Slappah]

but before you can even try to do anything they nerf it.

This is blatantly false.

[Belhi]

To tell you the truth, most content is very easy. Yes, some is difficult, but before you can even try to do anything they nerf it. So, seems strange I'm the only one that has an interest in Savage, for the purpose of challenge. Players should try, and with duty finder, this would be more easily accomplished.

You do realise how long ago Savage Coil came out right? Also as far as I know they haven't nerfed the old Savage Coil.

In general they don't need to nerf non raid content much unless they missed its original balance. The reason most content becomes easier is due to players getting stronger gear.

Also there are a lot of people interested in Savage Alexander which is lvl 60. Most people aren't that interested in Savage Coil, particularly now.

I've said it a couple of times now. If Savage Coil was on the DF you would still wait hours in queue and not get a group. People cant even get normal Coil runs on DF most of the time these days. Its now out-dated content. Those that do do coil either do it undersized so they can go in as a lvl 60 and steamroll it and those who might try it with the settings at 50 are going to be doing it with a premade group.

If you really want to get into Savage level content, get to 60 first. You will find a lot more people interested in difficult 60 content than difficult 50 content that is over a year old.

[zosia]

So, over 4 million players, and none like a good challenge???

We don't even know if this game has 4 million active subs.

They only release the "registered accounts" data.

I know wow has been around about 8 more years than this game, but wow has had over 100 million registered accounts. This 5 million figure that they keep trotting out is nothing but smoke and mirrors. The only worth while fact that can be drawn from SE's stat is that between 2.0 and now, over 5 million people have tried the game.

Who says challenges have to be built into the game reward system?

You want a challenge clear an expert with a set group and time it.
Proceed to attempt to beat that time by shaving off every second you can using any means available.

That's what my group does when we are required to farm experts when we are preparing for content.

Trust me we make it far more challenging and competitive than any developer would release content as. (as to not isolate 99% of the paying population)

As a bonus you get shit done faster and learn valuable optimizations that can help you in raids.

Over half the player base is not even at he level cap, per SE's stats. Should we just nerf all content so the average level (somewhere in the mid 40's) can do alex, rav ex, and bis ex? People will be excluded from content by their own volition and play styles, what would be different about savage dungeons in contrast to the rest of the content?