Time on House removal/reclaming is way to short! (private houseing)

[Maddonious]

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Now you're just discriminating against those in military.

SE could also go bankrupt, have to shut down all their servers and every single person here would lose much more than their house. I'm sure they wouldn't announce to you a heads up if that were happening either (granted,this is very unlikely to happen, but FFXIV doesn't have to announce everything they will do in the future. Things change. Remember that sweater you liked 5 years ago and now think is ugly?

Hahahaha. Oh man, dig deeper please. Hey everyone, we didn't pay each month for housing so SE is now gonna shut the game down. You make me laugh, you know that. Don't use the most extreme cases that will never happen 99% of the time. This game currently has over 1 mill active subscribers that pay anywhere from $13-$22 (depending on alts/retainers). We pay a sub to keep it all running, remember?

If in fact next year the game shut down and said, tough...... ok well at least everyone gets treated the same at that point and we all move on.

[Malicewolf]

You tell me not to use "Extreme" cases but are saying "Why didn't SE tell me 2 years ago that they might do this?!"

And as for military, please tell me how many military members you know in your life. I'm speaking from the experience of knowing these people. YOU are the one speaking of that you do not know to push your own thoughts on an update in a game.

[Maddonious]

Also you can say or think i'm wrong. All of these... are opinions... including mine. I'm not naive enough to tell people they're wrong about their opinions on this subject.

I said you were wrong on how long it took to pay, its fact not opinions.

[Kinseykinz]

Too bad. You should have been an early supporter and had the money ready to go when the housing was originally available.

This is screwing over dedicated, long term players for newbies.

No it's not. If you ARE such a player, then you have an active account dedicated=you pay your sub. And if you play and pay, then you won't lose your house. It's for exactly what the person you quoted said. To allow newer folk (and even, get this old, dedicated players) who'd like homes, a chance to get one, by removing them from people who no longer play/pay to play. Also, it will make it easier for SE to judge the actual player need for housing on each server to better provide additional housing/wards etc.

People really need to start looking forward. This game, if FFXI is any indicator, could have a decade+ lifespan. Over that time, you really don't think a fair amount of people living in the current wards won't move on/play something else etc. Those wards, if nothing is done, will become ghost towns, wasted server space, and just add to game bloat. This new system will make it so even 10 years from now, ward 1 on any server/any plot has a human actively playing the game behind it. And therefore, as in real life, keeps the value/desire of the entire ward up. But it also will mean that we won't need to add extra space every couple months simply because all houses are full. The space will be added when 1. All spaces are full and 2. Not enough spaces are going vacant in a reasonable timeframe. I don't want to go though a 40+ ward list to find a friends house...I'm sure you don't either. This system helps fix it.

[Maddonious]

You tell me not to use "Extreme" cases but are saying "Why didn't SE tell me 2 years ago that they might do this?!"

And as for military, please tell me how many military members you know in your life. I'm speaking from the experience of knowing these people. YOU are the one speaking of that you do not know to push your own thoughts on an update in a game.

Your talking about shutting an entire game down due to house payments, im talking about them changing the ToS and taking a virtual house away. Way different in terms of scope and scale.

As for military I said that due to the fact you want to say they have no right to hold a house in this game when before they were not aware of how long they were to stay home before they got called back into duty. How I see it.

Its ok, i'll discuss with others now as i've backed you in a corner and feel I have no more discussions to give. I have stated my opinions and that is all I needed to do. If I went on further it would be off topic.

[warren-ragnarok]

45 days is not enough for private housing. If I wanted to take a few months break to catch up on other games, military, RL stuff, SE will be forcing me to resub after a 1 month break just so I don't lose a vital part of my progress.That is shady as hell and it a dirty busniess tactic to make sure I have to pay them to keep what is mine, that is extortion in its current form! It is unfair and needs to be reevaluated to better protect its honest buyers.

i agree with this, i work in IT, and often times, have to travel and cant get online for a few days, sometimes a few weeks. my company also assists other companies as well and require travel for weeks, even sometimes months. and anyone else that works IT can vouch for unpredictable schedules to begin with.

a change like this would rather make me unsub completely if i loose my house "just because i couldnt enter it" or anyone im sharing it with couldnt either. especially if im actually paying my sub during those lengthy business calls. SE needs to give a little more consideration how they really want to do this for private housing to be honest. at least if they do insist on keeping these numbers, they should increase the time frame to a more lengthy period that a few days after the house has been lost and preferrably 100% of the gil if you are subbed when your house is lost

[Kinseykinz]

Are you serious? I'm guessing you've never been deployed or had financial issues or been severely sick or injured? For the people who have its a real kick in the gut to come back to the game you love and discover your stuff is gone. Especially since the time limit for demolition and retrieving your items is so short. 45 day before demolition, 35 days before your stuff disappears. Sounds like crap considering the average deployment is at least 3-6months and is usually far longer. No telling how long someone will be in the hospital after a serious illness or a bad accident. What about when someone's computer breaks down and they need to save up for the sudden expense. There's the dedicated college kids/adults how play during the summer and on holidays while they focus the rest of the time on their work. There are literally hundreds of different reasons life could force you away form the game for an extended period so why should players be punished for dealing with real life? I certainly wouldn't want to continue playing a game if I came back and all the stuff I'd worked so hard for was gone.

SE already announced you will be able to share a personal home with up to 5 people. If you get sick, are deployed etc., once SE allows you to share a house, make sure to share w/ a trusted friend (or 2) who you know will remain active during your absence and you will not lose your home. This is the easiest fix for someone in this situation.

Or.

Appeal to SE not to 'save everyone's home due to these unique situations, but instead to offer a way via customer support, that you could give them the proper documentation needed explaining your reason for needing an extended leave, and having them hold your stuff accordingly.

Or...pay for your game even though you are deployed...Service men, people dealing with real life sickness, work stuff etc, still have to pay their real life bills to keep their cars, homes, electric on etc. The government (depending on your country/deployment etc), might help you with some of the real life stuff, etc...but typically, bills are still paid even if deployed...after all, being in the Military is a paying job.

[warren-ragnarok]

And as for military, please tell me how many military members you know in your life. I'm speaking from the experience of knowing these people. YOU are the one speaking of that you do not know to push your own thoughts on an update in a game.

I was in the army for 5 and a half years, recently got out. some training, depending on your unit, would go anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months, and larger exercises (like working with foreign military) could last longer. 7 people in just my platoon, including me, played. keep in mind, these time frames are not including deployments, which depending on branch could be 3 months to 15 months.

[Malicewolf]

Your talking about shutting an entire game down due to house payments, im talking about them changing the ToS and taking a virtual house away. Way different in terms of scope and scale.

As for military I said that due to the fact you want to say they have no right to hold a house in this game when before they were not aware of how long they were to stay home before they got called back into duty. How I see it.

Its ok, i'll discuss with others now as i've backed you in a corner and feel I have no more discussions to give. I have stated my opinions and that is all I needed to do. If I went on further it would be off topic.

You completely misunderstood/misread what I put then.
I never stated this housing situation would cause the game to go down. I said IF SE went bankrupt (in general, at any time). Things change (thanks Obama) as you move forward and you can't foresee everything coming.

I never said military have no rights to have a house. I'm saying, they KNOW what they signed up for when they entered the military. Which involves long deployments and being placed in war zones. The thing about deployments are, most aren't short (6 months-2 years range usually). How can SE cater to them? And you wish to use THEM as an excuse for YOU to have more time. But these people are sacrificing their time and LIVES. You are losing a virtual house if you don't log in 45 days. I've yet to see a military player pop up to complain that they will be on deployment with no access and will lose their FFXIV house in the many topics about this. My belief is that is because they KNOW that they signed up for the military and what that entails (sacrifice of their time and lives). Did you know at military academies you can be punished for simply hurting yourself (say because you decided to punch a wall out of anger). You get a free education at them because you are literally signing years of your LIFE to them in service. Military members have to deal with much harder sacrifices in their lives than this petty argument. The fact that non-military people are using them as a reason upsets me because these men and women TRULY have to make sacrifices and your here complaining about 45 days to log in and enter your house.

[Maddonious]

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Losing my house I put millions apon millions of gil into compared to outdated Armour is a bad comparison. It would make more sense if I came back into the game with no Armour due to my absence to equal what the housing situation would do to an individual.

Outdated Armour would at least keep me close to people and I could catch up in a week of dungeon farming, the house however that took me time and money to get would not be so easy to get back. If you read my OP then you would also realize that the 80% of refund does not cover the primal/coil/tower items you may have put in your house that are worth more then the house, it would just cover simple housing decor from vendors and cheap crafting.

Sharing a house tho is not confirmed if it would fix this issue. Currently the official posting just says "owner" of the private house, not the co-owners. Would help but still doesn't fix this broken system.