Time on House removal/reclaming is way to short! (private houseing)

[Malicewolf]

It is not about being a lifer. Some people can not get on every 45 days like people in the Service. Now they can not even pay the sub fee to keep their house.
This wont fix the housing issue.
I want my own house but I wont even for a minute think it is right to take something away from those who are paying for it.
Pretty selfish.
Next people are going to cry people have more money than they do and are not using it and SE should take it away and give it too them.

Money isn't really comparable as there is always a stream of gil income available. Houses on the otherhand are limited.

And in regards to military. Yes, that is inconvenient for those deployed in a warzone, naval ship, or 3rd world country. But here's the thing about those.
1. Deployment into a warzone can range by a LOT. You could be there for a month, you could be there for a year or more. Military will always have this inconvenience, but it's something they know they have to live with. Do you know what else they have to deal with? Being deployed in a warzone when their baby is born, or taking their first steps, or if a family member dies. I think they can handle losing their virtual house. However, if somehow it isn't, they usually still have access to a phone or internet to ask someone to please log in for 2 seconds if they are still subbing. It's inconvenient, but there is no way to cater to this scenario of being in a warzone (not to mention the risk of death). And please do not think I'm being unreasonable, or unsupportive to military. Most of my family has been in or is currently in the military. I have sponsored midshipmen for nearly a decade and they have become like family to us. And I have unfortunately even had to deal with losing one of them.
2. Deployment on a naval ship (or submarine) is usually a longer deployment. These are usually trips out at sea for many months. 3 months would actually be a very short trip on a ship based deployment. However, they do dock within the timeframe as well. Once again, not easy to cater to without basically giving them unlimited time with no guarantee they will even want to come back and play.
3. 3rd world country. You drew the short end of the straw on deployments. Really inconvenient.

The other remaining deployments are usually a station which last for quite a while. Usually years. In these, you usually get a place to live and have internet. It's really not an excuse for not being able to log on. Majority of the midshipmen my family sponsored are in this circumstance. Most in the states, few in Japan. While I may not be in the military, I have been surrounded by it my entire life and am a bit touchy that people are using that and "diseases" as the main excuse for why this is a horrible update. Majority of you arguing about those are not even in those circumstances. I've heard multiple people with illness's come out and say "45 days is plenty". I've yet to hear any military members poke their heads up and say this is a huge inconvenience to them.

Ok sure but I don't remember at all when housing was first announced that i would lose the house that I acquired. That they would not be adding more, ever. Never once was I told "hey, just be aware you may not keep this house in the future". All these things about the houses being taken are recent and therefore don't fall into the realm of "fair". No other MMO does this so why did we think FFXIV would?

SE could also go bankrupt, have to shut down all their servers and every single person here would lose much more than their house. I'm sure they wouldn't announce to you a heads up if that were happening either (granted,this is very unlikely to happen, but FFXIV doesn't have to announce everything they will do in the future. Things change. Remember that sweater you liked 5 years ago and now think is ugly?

[Maddonious]

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Now you're just discriminating against those in military.

SE could also go bankrupt, have to shut down all their servers and every single person here would lose much more than their house. I'm sure they wouldn't announce to you a heads up if that were happening either (granted,this is very unlikely to happen, but FFXIV doesn't have to announce everything they will do in the future. Things change. Remember that sweater you liked 5 years ago and now think is ugly?

Hahahaha. Oh man, dig deeper please. Hey everyone, we didn't pay each month for housing so SE is now gonna shut the game down. You make me laugh, you know that. Don't use the most extreme cases that will never happen 99% of the time. This game currently has over 1 mill active subscribers that pay anywhere from $13-$22 (depending on alts/retainers). We pay a sub to keep it all running, remember?

If in fact next year the game shut down and said, tough...... ok well at least everyone gets treated the same at that point and we all move on.

[Malicewolf]

You tell me not to use "Extreme" cases but are saying "Why didn't SE tell me 2 years ago that they might do this?!"

And as for military, please tell me how many military members you know in your life. I'm speaking from the experience of knowing these people. YOU are the one speaking of that you do not know to push your own thoughts on an update in a game.

[Maddonious]

You tell me not to use "Extreme" cases but are saying "Why didn't SE tell me 2 years ago that they might do this?!"

And as for military, please tell me how many military members you know in your life. I'm speaking from the experience of knowing these people. YOU are the one speaking of that you do not know to push your own thoughts on an update in a game.

Your talking about shutting an entire game down due to house payments, im talking about them changing the ToS and taking a virtual house away. Way different in terms of scope and scale.

As for military I said that due to the fact you want to say they have no right to hold a house in this game when before they were not aware of how long they were to stay home before they got called back into duty. How I see it.

Its ok, i'll discuss with others now as i've backed you in a corner and feel I have no more discussions to give. I have stated my opinions and that is all I needed to do. If I went on further it would be off topic.

[Malicewolf]

Your talking about shutting an entire game down due to house payments, im talking about them changing the ToS and taking a virtual house away. Way different in terms of scope and scale.

As for military I said that due to the fact you want to say they have no right to hold a house in this game when before they were not aware of how long they were to stay home before they got called back into duty. How I see it.

Its ok, i'll discuss with others now as i've backed you in a corner and feel I have no more discussions to give. I have stated my opinions and that is all I needed to do. If I went on further it would be off topic.

You completely misunderstood/misread what I put then.
I never stated this housing situation would cause the game to go down. I said IF SE went bankrupt (in general, at any time). Things change (thanks Obama) as you move forward and you can't foresee everything coming.

I never said military have no rights to have a house. I'm saying, they KNOW what they signed up for when they entered the military. Which involves long deployments and being placed in war zones. The thing about deployments are, most aren't short (6 months-2 years range usually). How can SE cater to them? And you wish to use THEM as an excuse for YOU to have more time. But these people are sacrificing their time and LIVES. You are losing a virtual house if you don't log in 45 days. I've yet to see a military player pop up to complain that they will be on deployment with no access and will lose their FFXIV house in the many topics about this. My belief is that is because they KNOW that they signed up for the military and what that entails (sacrifice of their time and lives). Did you know at military academies you can be punished for simply hurting yourself (say because you decided to punch a wall out of anger). You get a free education at them because you are literally signing years of your LIFE to them in service. Military members have to deal with much harder sacrifices in their lives than this petty argument. The fact that non-military people are using them as a reason upsets me because these men and women TRULY have to make sacrifices and your here complaining about 45 days to log in and enter your house.

[Skybourne]

Believe me, there are military people that would still make the same arguments, though those are usually the one terms that realized that the military wasn't a free paycheck. But yes, as an active duty servicemember I can say it does suck missing out in something in the game but everyone gets over it. Missed out an a good chunk of WoW due to being in training for a year but it's still just a game.

[warren-ragnarok]

And as for military, please tell me how many military members you know in your life. I'm speaking from the experience of knowing these people. YOU are the one speaking of that you do not know to push your own thoughts on an update in a game.

I was in the army for 5 and a half years, recently got out. some training, depending on your unit, would go anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months, and larger exercises (like working with foreign military) could last longer. 7 people in just my platoon, including me, played. keep in mind, these time frames are not including deployments, which depending on branch could be 3 months to 15 months.

[Malicewolf]

I was in the army for 5 and a half years, recently got out. some training, depending on your unit, would go anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months, and larger exercises (like working with foreign military) could last longer. 7 people in just my platoon, including me, played. keep in mind, these time frames are not including deployments, which depending on branch could be 3 months to 15 months.

Thank you for your service. Truly. It is not that I don't have sympathy for the circumstance of military situations/circumstances. I just really don't like people who know nothing about it using it as an excuse to further their cause.

As for the 2 month exercise, I'm actually very curious what kind you are referring to. One of my best friends became an Army Ranger recently and it didn't even take that long. Was it technical based?

And what Kinsey stated is a good idea which I would be happy to back. I'm fine with allowing circumstantial situations get exceptions. I don't like how the people wanting a "break" from the game are using them to try getting more than 45 days.

[warren-ragnarok]

As for the 2 month exercise, I'm actually very curious what kind you are referring to. One of my best friends became an Army Ranger recently and it didn't even take that long. Was it technical based?

there is one in south korea, cant remember name of it, but majority of the military units there participate. there is also a few that are UN and local military forces, like germany as well (stationed in both areas at one point in my career) but most of them are the non special units, like regular infantry, communications, field artillery. one of the ones in korea, air force, infantry, and air defense artillery all participate in. i was in an air defense unit and ours lasted 6 weeks while i was there.

[warren-ragnarok]

45 days is not enough for private housing. If I wanted to take a few months break to catch up on other games, military, RL stuff, SE will be forcing me to resub after a 1 month break just so I don't lose a vital part of my progress.That is shady as hell and it a dirty busniess tactic to make sure I have to pay them to keep what is mine, that is extortion in its current form! It is unfair and needs to be reevaluated to better protect its honest buyers.

i agree with this, i work in IT, and often times, have to travel and cant get online for a few days, sometimes a few weeks. my company also assists other companies as well and require travel for weeks, even sometimes months. and anyone else that works IT can vouch for unpredictable schedules to begin with.

a change like this would rather make me unsub completely if i loose my house "just because i couldnt enter it" or anyone im sharing it with couldnt either. especially if im actually paying my sub during those lengthy business calls. SE needs to give a little more consideration how they really want to do this for private housing to be honest. at least if they do insist on keeping these numbers, they should increase the time frame to a more lengthy period that a few days after the house has been lost and preferrably 100% of the gil if you are subbed when your house is lost