Thinking this game is a bad investment

[CGMidlander]

I honestly have a hard time understanding people who act like houses cost all the Gil they have and ever will have.

When I look at my house, I think nothing about what it cost me, because Materia, Lucis tools back during relevancy, Master crafting books back during relevancy, and some pieces of glamour I have/had vastly overshadow the house in terms of Gil spent.

Gosh, losing a house is a setback, but it's not the end of the world.

[SchalaZeal]

Homes in this game are meant to form a community, and because of the price, they are meant to get people to work together. Housing is, by far, the biggest money sink in this game and you people wanna go at it all alone for the sake of virtual e-peen? And on top of that you want to just leave it there to take up space long after you're gone to play Destiny (just a placeholder game)? All the while saying "SE is the big baddie here taking away my home (millions of gil) while im off on my extended vacation of 35+ days"; First World Virtual-First-World Problems.

Think they said we would have coproprieties in the future (able to have dual owners). So that could help for the 35 days issue, as long as both don't quit. And it would save money. Splitting a large house in 2 is still a good investment compared to each having a small.

[SchalaZeal]

With people reporting that people are leaving everywhere, a drop of 50k-100k seems to be expected, especially since, apparently, a lot of people have been following the "sub for patching, play content, unsub till next patch" rotation.

Do that as a leader of your FC and you can say bye bye to your FC membership. It'll be sub, play content alone, can't raid, have to find another static that's unlikely to be within the FC, unsub til next patch, and if you invited people in your FC in-between, they'll all leave to actually-active FCs. We had 60 somewhat active members, I quit for a year, I come back and there's like 15 left (no one recruited). I've worked hard to get that number up, but if I only count "logged in last 3 weeks" people, it's barely at 40 now. And I worked hard the last 2 months to recruit.

Let your sub lapse if you consider never returning (at the time, I thought I was quitting for good).

[Blissa]

You guys are gunning for people to lose their house who worked hard for their home. Well guess what there are only 1440 houses per server and there are over 5k people per server. Your going to have better odds of going outside and getting struck by lighting then getting a house. And once the 45 days days are up your going to be back on the forums crying that you still don't have a house. Meanwhile people who do own a house are going to be held hostage to a subscription.

P.S. You guys need to wise up this is not a fix to housing. Se needs to loosen the their wallet and make sure that every player/FC on the server can own a home.

[Dante_V]

SE has totally dropped the ball on housing altogether. The player base has now starting cannibalizing it's own due to the failed implementations. The have nots are cheering on something to take from others, but are very statistically unlikely to get their own in return just based upon very basic math of plots to active subs. And when they do, they will be held as a sub hostage in order to keep their house.

Subscription numbers have expansions and contractions like any other service or product. A lot of people say "well if you unsub you are likely not coming back" and this is statistically NOT true when looking at WOW as an example, who is now predicting their futures returns based upon these expansions and contractions because they represent the greatest increase in profits post overhead.

[Dante_V]

I think an important thing to point out here is that if you don't have a house, you still likely aren't going to get one. And if you do, you have a greater chance of losing your investment.

And while I'm not totally against reclaiming houses from unsubs, taking them away from paying subs and the method that this is being implemented isn't very well thought out. The kick in the face really comes after there is slowly becoming larger gaps in content expansion and less and less people willing to wait that out. Punishing your loyal customer base is never a wise choice in business. Double so when you are gating content behind this service (housing)

[Krylo]

1440 houses per server and there are over 5k people per server.

I'm not going to bother checking your numbers, but if those are correct, and everyone buys personal housing that means there's a 28% chance of having access to housing (with FC housing it's considerably higher than that). I'm pretty sure the chances of getting hit by lightning are lower than that. I know way more than 4 people and none of them have been bolted yet. I highly doubt those numbers are correct, because I'm not that optimistic about this working out that well as a solution, but if it is, that would mean there's enough housing on most servers for everyone and the only thing keeping it from being true is inactive housing. Which--again, I don't believe to be the case, but. . .

Maybe make sure the things you're saying are actually supporting your doom and gloom?

[Kosmos992k]

I'm not going to bother checking your numbers, but if those are correct, and everyone buys personal housing that means there's a 28% chance of having access to housing (with FC housing it's considerably higher than that). I'm pretty sure the chances of getting hit by lightning are lower than that. I know way more than 4 people and none of them have been bolted yet. I highly doubt those numbers are correct, because I'm not that optimistic about this working out that well as a solution, but if it is, that would mean there's enough housing on most servers for everyone and the only thing keeping it from being true is inactive housing. Which--again, I don't believe to be the case, but. . .

Maybe make sure the things you're saying are actually supporting your doom and gloom?

It depends on the server population.

Based on the most recent active population numbers (from a third party survey site that scrapes Lodestone data) that I've seen for Behemoth, my chances of getting a house are less than 8%

[Blissa]

I'm not going to bother checking your numbers, I highly doubt those numbers are correct, because I'm not that optimistic about this working out that well as a solution, but if it is, that would mean there's enough housing on most servers for everyone and the only thing keeping it from being true is inactive housing. Which--again, I don't believe to be the case, but. . .

Maybe make sure the things you're saying are actually supporting your doom and gloom?

Keep fooling yourself but don't come back here crying 45 days after 3.1 that you still don't have a house because I am going to tell you I told you so. And if you don't believe me about the 1440 house per server, Pick a ward count the houses per ward and times it by sub divisions and times 3 wards and you get 1440 houses per server.

P.S. just because you don't see some one at their house 24/7 doesn't mean the house is vacant. I would be shocked if there were more then 200 vacant houses per server.

[TouchandFeel]

Chances of being struck by lightning.

http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/odds.shtml

TL(lazy)DR - very very very very low. Verifiable data, isn't it lovely