Thinking this game is a bad investment

[Hypa]

I am not happy about being a sub slave to keep my house. If they would have said something like this at the start of housing I would have never bought the house to begin with. But now I am fully invested and if anything happens out of my control I lose my house and that's a load of bull. SE makes millions off this game every month, they can afford to make new housing.

But it's ok for people to own a house and either quit the game or take extended breaks while there are active people who could enjoy the feature? I understand your plight, but please understand theirs too.

[Catwho]

Homeowner AND fashionista here.

Trust me, the 4 million I dropped on my house and the 10 million I paid toward the FC mansion are nothing compared to the tens of millions I've spent on vanity items over the last two years. And unlike a house, that stuff depreciates and has NO reclamation of the sunk cost, aside from completely destroying it via desynthesis and hoping something good comes out the other end. Making gil is the easy part of getting a house today - I managed to catch a lot open in the Goblet by sheer coincidence, but because I was running around with over five million gil at the time I was able to snap it up. (I also financed a "mortgage" for a friend who bought a house from a seller who changed servers once.)

When I finally beat T9 that's going to be a much bigger achievement for me buying my cottage was. Getting the FC mansion frankly has more meaning to me than my personal house did, since that was a group effort.

[Derio]

Just join a FC with a house. You wont lose your room. It makes no sense if someone is going to drop their sub for more than 45 days to keep their house.

[Belhi]

One of the problems has been that there are housing plots that no one is using cause the person hasn't been subbed for ages and might not even be coming back. This is a problem when each of those houses takes up server space. This creates a limited amount of available property. Simply put, without this feature most players aren't going to ever have a house anyway cause none are available.

Now it is a reasonable argument that that's a flaw with how housing was implemented in the first place and how the servers work in FF14, but it doesn't change the reality of it. They cant completely redo the game and server architecture from the ground up without a massive overhaul which would demand time taken away from developing new content, something people are really eager for. Just adding more districts seems like its never going to match demand, particularly when there is so much abandoned property already in game.

To the OP. While I don't necessarily agree with you about housing being the be all and end all, particularly since players used to making money in MMOs can raise the money needed for a house pretty quickly, I respect your view. For me its always been about the journey rather than the destination. After all, if housing is the peak and end goal of the game, what to you work towards once you have your house and its jazzed up? Frankly I personally find high level raid gear and rare titles, mounts and pets far more impressive prestige gear than a house. That stuff shows skill rather than just the ability to save gil.

This is sadly a needed feature cause frankly without it you likely never would have gotten a plot of land anyway with the amount of demand for them at the moment and the gil that some players have built up waiting for more land to become available. If this is a game breaker for you then I'm afraid there is no way around it. Its not going to change. Too many other players really want this change and have demanded it in the past.

Still, I would suggest you enjoy what the game has because it does what it does pretty well for an MMO and frankly it still produces vastly more content than what WoW puts out. The only reason 3.1 has taken 5 months is because the dev team got their first vacation in at least 2 years.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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Sorry, but using Square's graph data on who cleared Alex and Alex savage isn't really a good indicator on how active the player base is. It only shows how many people managed to clear said content and doesn't count people who tried it but failed or people who don't care for the raid. You can't assume every single player will clear Alexander or show any interest in trying to clear it.

[MugenMugetsu]

Skimmed over the OP, and while I understand your desire to own a house OP, I would say that you may a little more worried about being able to acquire and keep a house than is necessary. Firstly, I'm positive that you will be able to obtain your goal of owning a house, and secondly the 45 day timer on whether or not you lose the house is a great deal of time that shouldn't cause you to lose your house if you are able to acquire one. I don't know maybe I'm too optimistic, but I would say keep your head up, be positive, and know that you will be able to achieve your goal even if it takes a little longer than you'd like!

Also, in the meantime, join a FC that owns a house and get a personal room! Have fun with it while you wait to acquire your very own home.

[inimicus]

Sorry, but using Square's graph data on who cleared Alex and Alex savage isn't really a good indicator on how active the player base is. It only shows how many people managed to clear said content and doesn't count people who tried it but failed or people who don't care for the raid. You can't assume every single player will clear Alexander or show any interest in trying to clear it.

Your last sentence suggests that you didn't actually read the last page. As in: I didn't assume that.
I assumed that you could use that as a rough estimate. And my whole point was that it was still juggling numbers that we didn't have a good basis for and therefore totally irrelevant besides disproving absurd numbers like 5 million subs.

[adn]

I'm just gonna give you a little advice OP.

If you want good player housing, the game you want is Wildstar. Not this one. (And that's a rare recommendation since I don't like Wildstar.)

[Reaperking386]

My housing area is so abandon that there are only 10 active accounts in my area. Alot of them are fallen FC's or PH that have not been logged since HW Expac.

[KingOfAbyss]

I appreciate what you're trying to say, but what I'm saying is that for me at least (but likely for a lot of people) housing is held up as the most esteemed reward that one can achieve within this game. It's the most expensive part of the game by far, it allows you to express yourself moreso than anything else, but it also has longevity. It never becomes outdated content. Your house doesn't become "useless" the way that gear does when an expansion or an update hits. It is "permanent content." Its a permanent form of content in the same way that say glamour was permanent content. Or a haircut. Or a title. Or just achievements themselves. You didn't have to replace it, it was a permanent achievement. Once you had that, you had the most prestigious reward in the game.


However that "permanent content" now no longer exists. The only way for me to achieve the highest level of prestige, is to play the game forever and never, ever leave. Ever. Its asking me to make a commitment that severely limits what I can do in real life in order to justify what I have done here in this game. Its like forcing me to choose between this game and real life...choose right now. Because housing is the greatest reward that overshadows all other rewards in the game. Any other reward is nowhere near as prestigious.

So achieving all of those other smaller rewards, yet being told from the get-go that you can never enjoy housing makes all the rest of the game feel empty and pointless. Why go on if I will never get the greatest reward? Why continue if I know at the start that I'm never going to enjoy the largest reward?

That'd be like grinding a reputation bar that was bugged and that could never be maxxed out, and knowing that it would never be fixed. The whole act became pointless, and you can't justify even starting such a task if you know you will never finish it.

It puts this huge shadow of dissapointment over the rest of the game. All of the grinding and gil ultimately adds up until you get a house. But once you get that, you are here forever, or all of that grinding and gil was meaningless. What's the point of even starting then? Why not just quit and minimize my losses?

Ok I read your posting.. and..

for slaving away: I saw my GF doing the same in a few weeks of gaming, she just unlocked Heavensward.

I'm destined to lose my most prized possession in the game eventually. ...but what I'm saying is that for me at least (but likely for a lot of people) housing is held up as the most esteemed reward that one can achieve within this game. It's the most expensive part of the game by far, it allows you to express yourself moreso than anything else

Well, that's your view, I'm quite shocked to see that a House is viewed as much, for me it's just part of the game.

I'm playing to have fun, no matter what they'll throw at us. Having lower expectations helps a lot, specially when you see that nothing much changed from 2.0 to 3.0.

As other stated, you can join an FC which has a house and then even if you go and warn them you take a 1 year hiatus, chances are for big FC, the house will still be there.

You can take from there a personal room, enjoy all the house has to offer. and in Patch 3.1 IIRC, you will be able to ask to rent a part of one FC, if they want to rent part of their houses. It might be limited about the options, but it's SEs idea of overcoming the shortage.

I am not sure then if you want a House for Yourself before a house for an FC though.. seems you go with your eyes closed and only feel that the house is what makes that game.

Highest form of Prestige hmm.. interesting point. Are you Malfoy by any chances? Your blindness and being stuck-up on the idea that a House is what makes this game a great one, you are seriously disillusionned.

Seems you're the type that goes into the game and view your time spend as money lost.. well, no matter which game you're going to play, they'll have their pros and cons.

Well, it was nice seeing you in this forum. Better quit now until you will realize one more day of playing is one more day without a house, the shame..

And to have invested your time getting one class to 60, it's a great achievement. But you have to compare with the rest, for me, after 2 years I took a little break, but all my jobs are 50 at least, getting them all to 60 (some in the game have all to 60) so your saying that you worked hard.. B please.

And I really don't want to make that commitment, but I also don't want to not have the game's largest and most valuable reward for all of the time and effort I've put into it.

o.O contradictory in here, aren't we? you can't have the butter and the money of the butter.

all the time and effort (come on, you just started.. I would suggest to stop playing MMOs, your time is more valuable elsewhere.)

I'm done here, you made your QQ valid.

Now go play a F2P; if you quit for one year, it won't affect anything.

People like me are the future of this game

OMG this game is doomed to fail >.<

New players are always welcome, you are welcome to stay as well, people invest time to play, and their money. people makes friends, an FC, and then shares the money to buy Houses. It then become an FC house, not a ME house. Having more people in the FC that ensures one will log in for at least once in a month, or when you will receive a warning through emails , you log in, then you won't ever have any problems.

If you intent to quit for a few months (why? this game is so great, that's the only game i'm playing, I don't have time for other games) you can rely on another trusted member of your FC and then you won't have any problems.

Is it because you lack money for not being able to pay for years to come?

If in the long run you don't see yourself playing this MMO for years, then yes, you should quit now and find another game that will suit exactly what you need, cause this one obviously ain't it.

Good luck and have 'fun', the most important point over Prestige and after being in good health, else your money might be spent elsewhere, and you could lose that real house you live in and Internet.