Thinking this game is a bad investment

[kamikrazy]

I'm still relatively new to this game, but I've hit it hard and fast these last few weeks since I came back, I've leveled several classes to 50, unlocked all but 2 dungeons in the roulette, completed several hunting logs, completed nearly every quest in the game, nearly max ranked 2 grand companies, completed every quest in every expansion area, unlocked all the flying, etc

It's been a lot, and I've slaved away "catching up" because I felt like this game was a good investment in an MMO, with good updates, solid gameplay, and good structure.

But after this housing thing I feel like this may just be an identical investment to WoW, being that there really don't seem to be anymore longterm achievements, and even worse, I basically have to commit to this game indefinitely if I want to enjoy the ultimate reward (what I consider to be the ultimate reward) in the game (having a house). I feel like its inevitable that I just won't be able to play at one point, or I just won't want too sometime within the next 10 years.

With things looking how they are, SE doesn't look like it has any intention of fixing this problem, or they simply lack the capability to do so. Either way, I will never be able to enjoy the final reward without literally committing to the game forever.

And I really don't want to make that commitment, but I also don't want to not have the game's largest and most valuable reward for all of the time and effort I've put into it. If a game company cannot or does not feel that is a priority, perhaps this isn't a game company who shares values or a vision that lines up with my own, and is thus not worth my time, money, or emotional investment any further.

It really sucks because I like this game, but I don't want to have to literally commit forever just to keep something in the game that I consider the most valuable item. The fact that it is a limited asset is irrelevant. It's only that way because of their architecture, and nothing more. There's ways they could find to fix this, there's plans they could have made, there's steps that could be taken. Even if they had a plan to fix it in the future, they could/should have said something about that being on the drawing board.

But as it looks now, I'm destined to lose my most prized possession in the game eventually. So what's the point of going on? I'm trying to justify it, especially after I've poured so much energy into this game already, but I just can't seem to justify continuing if I'm basically doomed from the get-go.

Its a hard emotion to explain. Hopelessness is perhaps the right word. Does anyone else feel this way?

And no, I do not own a house. However I am not delusional enough to think that having a reclamation timer is going to fix that. It isn't. This is just going to insure that when I get one, I am eventually going to lose it.

[AskaRay]

Once I was part of a very fun avatar site community, and I spent $5 a month AT LEAST to get items. I didn't have to, but I did because I like the site.
Then suddenly some bad practices happened, and I said to myself "if they do this they aren't gonna get any money"
And then BOOM that site was gone within about six months or so. I was so upset, I had invested so much time and money into that site.... but the point is I don't feel like I wasted any time or money.

The moral of the story is you're only making a bad investment if that's what you THINK you're doing.
Honestly the only long term goal in FFXIV I have right now is "Wait for Void Ark". I am SO EXCITED for Void Ark okay. Beyond that, nope. So if housing was your only goal and you are literally getting nothing out of this game anymore, it's probably time to leave or take a break.

/pet

[kamikrazy]

Once I was part of a very fun avatar site community, and I spent $5 a month AT LEAST to get items. I didn't have to, but I did because I like the site.
Then suddenly some bad practices happened, and I said to myself "if they do this they aren't gonna get any money"
And then BOOM that site was gone within about six months or so. I was so upset, I had invested so much time and money into that site.... but the point is I don't feel like I wasted any time or money.

The moral of the story is you're only making a bad investment if that's what you THINK you're doing.
Honestly the only long term goal in FFXIV I have right now is "Wait for Void Ark". I am SO EXCITED for Void Ark okay. Beyond that, nope. So if housing was your only goal and you are literally getting nothing out of this game anymore, it's probably time to leave or take a break.

/pet

I appreciate what you're trying to say, but what I'm saying is that for me at least (but likely for a lot of people) housing is held up as the most esteemed reward that one can achieve within this game. It's the most expensive part of the game by far, it allows you to express yourself moreso than anything else, but it also has longevity. It never becomes outdated content. Your house doesn't become "useless" the way that gear does when an expansion or an update hits. It is "permanent content." Its a permanent form of content in the same way that say glamour was permanent content. Or a haircut. Or a title. Or just achievements themselves. You didn't have to replace it, it was a permanent achievement. Once you had that, you had the most prestigious reward in the game.


However that "permanent content" now no longer exists. The only way for me to achieve the highest level of prestige, is to play the game forever and never, ever leave. Ever. Its asking me to make a commitment that severely limits what I can do in real life in order to justify what I have done here in this game. Its like forcing me to choose between this game and real life...choose right now. Because housing is the greatest reward that overshadows all other rewards in the game. Any other reward is nowhere near as prestigious.

So achieving all of those other smaller rewards, yet being told from the get-go that you can never enjoy housing makes all the rest of the game feel empty and pointless. Why go on if I will never get the greatest reward? Why continue if I know at the start that I'm never going to enjoy the largest reward?

That'd be like grinding a reputation bar that was bugged and that could never be maxxed out, and knowing that it would never be fixed. The whole act became pointless, and you can't justify even starting such a task if you know you will never finish it.

It puts this huge shadow of dissapointment over the rest of the game. All of the grinding and gil ultimately adds up until you get a house. But once you get that, you are here forever, or all of that grinding and gil was meaningless. What's the point of even starting then? Why not just quit and minimize my losses?

[KingOfAbyss]

I appreciate what you're trying to say, but what I'm saying is that for me at least (but likely for a lot of people) housing is held up as the most esteemed reward that one can achieve within this game. It's the most expensive part of the game by far, it allows you to express yourself moreso than anything else, but it also has longevity. It never becomes outdated content. Your house doesn't become "useless" the way that gear does when an expansion or an update hits. It is "permanent content." Its a permanent form of content in the same way that say glamour was permanent content. Or a haircut. Or a title. Or just achievements themselves. You didn't have to replace it, it was a permanent achievement. Once you had that, you had the most prestigious reward in the game.


However that "permanent content" now no longer exists. The only way for me to achieve the highest level of prestige, is to play the game forever and never, ever leave. Ever. Its asking me to make a commitment that severely limits what I can do in real life in order to justify what I have done here in this game. Its like forcing me to choose between this game and real life...choose right now. Because housing is the greatest reward that overshadows all other rewards in the game. Any other reward is nowhere near as prestigious.

So achieving all of those other smaller rewards, yet being told from the get-go that you can never enjoy housing makes all the rest of the game feel empty and pointless. Why go on if I will never get the greatest reward? Why continue if I know at the start that I'm never going to enjoy the largest reward?

That'd be like grinding a reputation bar that was bugged and that could never be maxxed out, and knowing that it would never be fixed. The whole act became pointless, and you can't justify even starting such a task if you know you will never finish it.

It puts this huge shadow of dissapointment over the rest of the game. All of the grinding and gil ultimately adds up until you get a house. But once you get that, you are here forever, or all of that grinding and gil was meaningless. What's the point of even starting then? Why not just quit and minimize my losses?

Ok I read your posting.. and..

for slaving away: I saw my GF doing the same in a few weeks of gaming, she just unlocked Heavensward.

I'm destined to lose my most prized possession in the game eventually. ...but what I'm saying is that for me at least (but likely for a lot of people) housing is held up as the most esteemed reward that one can achieve within this game. It's the most expensive part of the game by far, it allows you to express yourself moreso than anything else

Well, that's your view, I'm quite shocked to see that a House is viewed as much, for me it's just part of the game.

I'm playing to have fun, no matter what they'll throw at us. Having lower expectations helps a lot, specially when you see that nothing much changed from 2.0 to 3.0.

As other stated, you can join an FC which has a house and then even if you go and warn them you take a 1 year hiatus, chances are for big FC, the house will still be there.

You can take from there a personal room, enjoy all the house has to offer. and in Patch 3.1 IIRC, you will be able to ask to rent a part of one FC, if they want to rent part of their houses. It might be limited about the options, but it's SEs idea of overcoming the shortage.

I am not sure then if you want a House for Yourself before a house for an FC though.. seems you go with your eyes closed and only feel that the house is what makes that game.

Highest form of Prestige hmm.. interesting point. Are you Malfoy by any chances? Your blindness and being stuck-up on the idea that a House is what makes this game a great one, you are seriously disillusionned.

Seems you're the type that goes into the game and view your time spend as money lost.. well, no matter which game you're going to play, they'll have their pros and cons.

Well, it was nice seeing you in this forum. Better quit now until you will realize one more day of playing is one more day without a house, the shame..

And to have invested your time getting one class to 60, it's a great achievement. But you have to compare with the rest, for me, after 2 years I took a little break, but all my jobs are 50 at least, getting them all to 60 (some in the game have all to 60) so your saying that you worked hard.. B please.

And I really don't want to make that commitment, but I also don't want to not have the game's largest and most valuable reward for all of the time and effort I've put into it.

o.O contradictory in here, aren't we? you can't have the butter and the money of the butter.

all the time and effort (come on, you just started.. I would suggest to stop playing MMOs, your time is more valuable elsewhere.)

I'm done here, you made your QQ valid.

Now go play a F2P; if you quit for one year, it won't affect anything.

People like me are the future of this game

OMG this game is doomed to fail >.<

New players are always welcome, you are welcome to stay as well, people invest time to play, and their money. people makes friends, an FC, and then shares the money to buy Houses. It then become an FC house, not a ME house. Having more people in the FC that ensures one will log in for at least once in a month, or when you will receive a warning through emails , you log in, then you won't ever have any problems.

If you intent to quit for a few months (why? this game is so great, that's the only game i'm playing, I don't have time for other games) you can rely on another trusted member of your FC and then you won't have any problems.

Is it because you lack money for not being able to pay for years to come?

If in the long run you don't see yourself playing this MMO for years, then yes, you should quit now and find another game that will suit exactly what you need, cause this one obviously ain't it.

Good luck and have 'fun', the most important point over Prestige and after being in good health, else your money might be spent elsewhere, and you could lose that real house you live in and Internet.

[Twilite]

Once I was part of a very fun avatar site community, and I spent $5 a month AT LEAST to get items. I didn't have to, but I did because I like the site.
Then suddenly some bad practices happened, and I said to myself "if they do this they aren't gonna get any money"
And then BOOM that site was gone within about six months or so. I was so upset, I had invested so much time and money into that site.... but the point is I don't feel like I wasted any time or money.
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People are gonna be pissed when Perfect World ever shuts down. They got people that have blown 100k on that game.

[Elim]

Join a FC with a house.

Make a FC, invite close friends and make them co-leaders. Buy a house and share it. That way, if at least one of your friends are active at a time, you wont lose your house. Have no in-game friends? Make some. Sometimes having in-game friends makes the game even better. I log on just to chat with friends sometimes.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

If your going to quit the game do you really care if your house is destroyed? If you know that your the type of player that is going to take frequent long breaks and don't want to keep ur subscription going in order to preserve your house. I would recommend joining a free company and sharing thier house instead of buying your own. This really isn't as serious as people are making it out to be. If your willing to quit the game over a virtual dollhouse, well that's your choice i suppose.

[Blissa]

I am not happy about being a sub slave to keep my house. If they would have said something like this at the start of housing I would have never bought the house to begin with. But now I am fully invested and if anything happens out of my control I lose my house and that's a load of bull. SE makes millions off this game every month, they can afford to make new housing.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I am not happy about being a sub slave to keep my house. If they would have said something like this at the start of housing I would have never bought the house to begin with. But now I am fully invested and if anything happens out of my control I lose my house and that's a load of bull. SE makes millions off this game every month, they can afford to make new housing.

Millions you say? And every month? Maybe in a year's time or even half a year, but in a SINGLE MONTH?

[Kurogaea]

Millions you say? And every month? Maybe in a year's time or even half a year, but in a SINGLE MONTH?

Well how much do you think?