DPS Double Standard

[Risvertasashi]

As I said in the original post, in a raid setting is a different environment than what I have been using (trials and dungeons).

Right, but here's the thing: it filters down. For example: On the FFXIV reddit, there was recently a post from a PLD where the group wanted to kick him on Bismarck for presumed low DPS (they weren't running parsers, save for the reddit poster). And the SMN as well, even though the SMN was doing twice the DPS of the DRG that complained.

Bismarck EX you might ask?

Nope, normal.

Others have already explained why tanking and healing is only easy if you do the bare minimum (and healing, of course, gets easier if the tank is overgeared and has enough of a brain to use DCDs) so I'll just leave that. But if you're still not convinced, go into Fractal with minimum ilvl sync turned on and then try to maximize DPS.

lol as a dps we are easy to replace if we don't do above the average recorded dps.

For some reason people that play tanks and healers thinks its fine not to dps at all and yet enter savage content and unless all 4 dps is il 200+ they isn't going to be able to carry lackluster I only tank tanks and I only heal healers.

A1S Faust:
I will raise a good example my barding majorly sucked this day lag wise + drinking missing many procs... but we did 10 attempts a1s. my dps was shocking that day 850 I wont lie. However the other 3 dps were 1.2k+ then warrior main tank 550-580dps and dark off tank was doing 130-150 dps and healers the whm 250ish and the ast 7.6dps but people only blamed the brd and yet im sure all see I may have been a major issue but the group failed to believe that anyone else was lacking.

Then I switched drg all 4 dps were around 1.25k 1.3k 20 runs more and guess what we still wiped cause the tanks and healers didn't dps much and I will add the fact I barely play BRD and only entered that static as one cause the tank and drg slot was taken. my pld could have done more dps than that war and drk combined and yet plds seen as junk by many including I cause I'm used to tanks doing good tank dps. let alone healers not even dotting.

There is so, so much wrong with this.

First off, if the tanks and healers are DPSing even a little, they're the one carrying the raid, not the DPS. If the DPS can't do it without help, they're scrubs (anyone got the Yoshi git gud image handy?). Plain and simple.

However, in your particular example, the DRK's DPS suggests that he was probably close to the minimum ilvl. Aside from lower output from lower gear, this also means the healers need to watch him more closely and heal more. Lastly, WHM's DPS there is really not bad. It starts out high but then as damage scales up, they need to stay out of cleric which causes the end DPS to be quite a bit lower.

Now if tanks and heals are doing awesome DPS and the group is able to clear because of that, great. But it's not the DPS doing the carrying, lol. In your example, the only problem is the heals and WAR weren't carrying harder.

It's for this reason that it is all the more important for Dps to at least be performing to the average level. I've never kicked a Dps for "small mistakes;" however, if you're looking for a carry, or you've repeatedly wiped the group, or you're not listening to the chat when the entire group tells you you've done something wrong, or you're just being a general A**hat in the chat box, you're done. Why should anyone put up with that when Dps are, quiet literally, a dime a dozen?

Ideally...No one should ever have to put up with that. Regardless of the color of their job icon.

But even with DPS being a dime a dozen, there are plenty at 60 that get away with doing 300-400 DPS in EX roulette. The amount of times that I am second highest DPS for the entire dungeon at the end of a run as WHM... it's depressing.