so their is no point in playing some jobs?

[Seku]

This is probably the funniest thing I've read all week.

Funniest thing because sadly it's true. ='(

PLD was behind DRK and WAR in Progression with lack of gear.
Now, with all 200/210 items around, bring pld-drk or war is not a big difference.
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And the entire reason for progression is to get said gear that they lack. Having everyone else get said gear and then go back means that the job has flaws. And no there are still some pretty big differences....

[rappa]

Instead of Progression i would write "first world/continent" kills.

Party A is doing 6100 dps with team ilvl media: 195 ilvl

Party B is doing 5800 dps with team ilvl media: 202 ilvl

Something is going wrong in Party B. Having a pld instead a drk don't make a 300 dps lost to get the kill.
- One or a few dps is not pulling their weights
- One healer or both healers are not dpsing.
- Tanks are more focused to don't die than stance dance.

[RiceisNice]

Instead of Progression i would write "first world/continent" kills.

Party A is doing 6100 dps with team ilvl media: 195 ilvl

Party B is doing 5800 dps with team ilvl media: 202 ilvl

Something is going wrong in Party B. Having a pld instead a drk don't make a 300 dps lost to get the kill.
- One or a few dps is not pulling their weights
- One healer or both healers are not dpsing.
- Tanks are more focused to don't die than stance dance.

Regardless of if it's progression or not, PLD is still objectively the lesser of the two MT to bring into A4S. Whether or not it's contingent on getting a clear (and it shouldn't on relevant gear), the fact remains.

[rappa]

I don't say the pld is in equal than others tanks. Obviously PLD as job is slacking on damage and more "magic" reduction. But that "penalty" is solved with gear in your others party members.

The excuse "we don't kill a boss because we have a PLD in a encounter as Bismark Extreme/Ravana/Faust/Oppresor/Living Liquid with players wearing Eso wep" is silly and they ignore the main reason of the problem, the dps damage is low than theirs gear could do.

[HoodRat]

Funniest thing because sadly it's true. ='(

Funniest thing because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

[Jim_Berry]

The point is to play a job you enjoy.

Yep! Took me a while to grasp this, since I was trying to please folks. Now, I'm breezy.

[Jim_Berry]

The thing that bugs me about the "PLD lack damage" is that in other MMOs, many tanks aren't expected to be a damage dealer. In DC Universe, for example, if there is content where people feel they need more damage, they replace the tank role for a dps role. Sadly, this will only grant wipes in FFXIV if you went with a DPS instead of tank.

I just wish this community wasn't so sour. We had good times back in the day. Now, it's "wahh wahh wahh".

[Cheraa]

That's the issue you will always have, if you have to much Tank jobs. Even if SE Buffs the PLD in 3.1 at the correct spots, the chances are high that then WAR or DRK will fall behind.
Does it matter?
Well, for world/contintent first, sure. For all others? Not so much at all. Even though, that it should be a no-go that Tank and Healer DPS must be considered into Enrage timers.

[AeirTalies]

Ninja works just fine for me on PC, and PS4. I suffer from no lag at all.
As for the Bard I cant really speak for, but the Paladin is working as intended. It's DPS although the worst of the 3 tanks, I feel like it's the best beginner tanking experience. You have the easiest skill set which allows beginners to the game, and beginners to the role a chance to learn basics of tanking. You're flooded with a ton of Cooldowns to help keep you alive. Although I've yet to do Savage Alexander, I can say that the Paladin hardly suffers. DPS is only a tanks secondary role, and no DPS should ever complain about a tank unless that tank fails to hold hate, which is entirely up to the players skill; not the DPS being dished.
Should you level these Jobs? completely up to you.

Right now it seems Summoner is the god tier of DPS but I must say, playing a Ninja I am constantly complimented on my dps rates in pretty much every daily roulette, trial, and so on so-forth.

[Ryythe]

Right now it seems Summoner is the god tier of DPS but I must say, playing a Ninja I am constantly complimented on my dps rates in pretty much every daily roulette, trial, and so on so-forth.

With an i180 weapon, what is your dps like?