so their is no point in playing some jobs?

[rappa]

Instead of Progression i would write "first world/continent" kills.

Party A is doing 6100 dps with team ilvl media: 195 ilvl

Party B is doing 5800 dps with team ilvl media: 202 ilvl

Something is going wrong in Party B. Having a pld instead a drk don't make a 300 dps lost to get the kill.
- One or a few dps is not pulling their weights
- One healer or both healers are not dpsing.
- Tanks are more focused to don't die than stance dance.

[RiceisNice]

Instead of Progression i would write "first world/continent" kills.

Party A is doing 6100 dps with team ilvl media: 195 ilvl

Party B is doing 5800 dps with team ilvl media: 202 ilvl

Something is going wrong in Party B. Having a pld instead a drk don't make a 300 dps lost to get the kill.
- One or a few dps is not pulling their weights
- One healer or both healers are not dpsing.
- Tanks are more focused to don't die than stance dance.

Regardless of if it's progression or not, PLD is still objectively the lesser of the two MT to bring into A4S. Whether or not it's contingent on getting a clear (and it shouldn't on relevant gear), the fact remains.

[rappa]

I don't say the pld is in equal than others tanks. Obviously PLD as job is slacking on damage and more "magic" reduction. But that "penalty" is solved with gear in your others party members.

The excuse "we don't kill a boss because we have a PLD in a encounter as Bismark Extreme/Ravana/Faust/Oppresor/Living Liquid with players wearing Eso wep" is silly and they ignore the main reason of the problem, the dps damage is low than theirs gear could do.

[HoodRat]

Funniest thing because sadly it's true. ='(

Funniest thing because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

[Jim_Berry]

The thing that bugs me about the "PLD lack damage" is that in other MMOs, many tanks aren't expected to be a damage dealer. In DC Universe, for example, if there is content where people feel they need more damage, they replace the tank role for a dps role. Sadly, this will only grant wipes in FFXIV if you went with a DPS instead of tank.

I just wish this community wasn't so sour. We had good times back in the day. Now, it's "wahh wahh wahh".

[Cheraa]

That's the issue you will always have, if you have to much Tank jobs. Even if SE Buffs the PLD in 3.1 at the correct spots, the chances are high that then WAR or DRK will fall behind.
Does it matter?
Well, for world/contintent first, sure. For all others? Not so much at all. Even though, that it should be a no-go that Tank and Healer DPS must be considered into Enrage timers.

[Dante_V]

I've seen MCH that put 90% ofthe dps in this game to shame. Classes are only as good as their players, all classes with no player do zero dps.