so their is no point in playing some jobs?

[PheonixCain]

1.paladin wud be way easier to heal in A2S than either Drk or War, that to be said, i still have seen some amazing numbers from pally in savage

2.ninja is amazing in many ways, but if ur dont raid at all, u dont even get half the fun of being a ninja. altho mudra lag cud be a barrier, but it cud never be the reason of why a ninja sucks, this is more like an excuse but not a valid reason

3.bard is not broken, go gather more information, there are plenty of bards still can deal insane dps (mch too)

4.the TRUTH is that there are a lot of people don't know how to optimize, or simply saying, to play the best of their jobs (oh yeah, i mean they suck). don't just blindly listen to everyone's words, try them urself, do some research on them when u playing it, and then u will see how they really are. This is just a video game afterall, not asking u to shoot rockets onto the moon, it's really not that hard to be good

[rappa]

Who says PLD is not viable to Savage or any content don't know how a raid works.

A PLD does less damage than WAR and DRK, it's obvious. A good PLD does less damage but let healers do more damage in general. PLD has got more CD to mitigate damage. So one healer or both could do dps during more time.

Ninja is in the same pos than PLD. Their damage is less than MNK and DRG, but their utility with Trick attack, shadewalker and smoke bomb. A melee/ranged dps without TP can't do damage. A goad helps to bard/mch to don't play tp song or promotion skills.

If you don't meet dps requeriments, will you check others points than "oh we have a PLD-NIN-BRD".

If you think bard or MCH are broken, you are wrong, you should meet good players and not shitty DF/PF players unable to do a correctly rotation also with mistakes.

[Velthice]

Bard is fine, great even. Don't read the bard thread, it's an echo chamber of stupidity.

Also I'm pretty sure all the classes you've listed have cleared A4S at this point. The problem is that observations made by the best players pushing the hardest content (while significantly undergeared I might add) trickle down into the general public and get warped and distorted. Basically if you're doing world first progression, then yea, some jobs are going to be better than others. But that ship has sailed, and gear is at a point where you can bring any reasonable composition and succeed.

[Kuroyasha]

Bard is fine, great even. Don't read the bard thread, it's an echo chamber of stupidity.

Also I'm pretty sure all the classes you've listed have cleared A4S at this point. The problem is that observations made by the best players pushing the hardest content (while significantly undergeared I might add) trickle down into the general public and get warped and distorted. Basically if you're doing world first progression, then yea, some jobs are going to be better than others. But that ship has sailed, and gear is at a point where you can bring any reasonable composition and succeed.

^ In a nutshell. Saw a post on reddit yesterday where a leveling PLD told a story where he was blamed for not meeting a dps check becasue he was a pld and not drk/war on Bismarck Normal....yes normal. I was like uuuuh what? o.o So you have some people who think they are great, some who think they are great like as if they're on our world 1st team/ world progression teams, and some who just go along with groupthink while also having one or both of the first two mentioned.

Every class has beaten A4S now. Pick what u want and become skilled at the class. You will be fine. Class adjustments will always come, and are coming in 3.1. New bosses will be released and if SE makes em do more phys than magic, or have better balance of the two, then PLD to the masses will be "good" again and masses will cry "Drk needs buff."

[Calypsx]

I would avoid Paladin at the moment unless you really enjoy it but everything else is fine.

[Aikota]

You forgot:

AST- is weak
WHM - lacks DPS
SCH - lacks heals
DRK - has MP issues
WAR - is squishy to heal compared to other tanks
MCH - is just horribly weak
MNK - looses stacks
DRG - too much skills
BLM - broke due to Enochian
SMN - looses stacks

And now seriously I wouldn't say any job is bad all raids have some preferred raid setup... I know how often people go WTF even on primals with 2 sch "shields don't stack"... Progression has "ideal" setups but they also depend on all other jobs you have and I wouldn't want to miss my bard with Foes just for me DPSing heal <3

Trololololololol

[Martin_Arcainess]

yes Yoshi ppl said they be making PLD changes in 3.1 - he mentioned it in last live letter. There was a thread about it...i don't have link.

Yeah changes, but it dosn't mean it's gonna have a DPS increase though, might just give it more def against magic or better TP management.

[Seku]

incoming post.

Who says PLD is not viable to Savage or any content don't know how a raid works.

A PLD does less damage than WAR and DRK, it's obvious. A good PLD does less damage but let healers do more damage in general. PLD has got more CD to mitigate damage. So one healer or both could do dps during more time.

Ninja is in the same pos than PLD. Their damage is less than MNK and DRG, but their utility with Trick attack, shadewalker and smoke bomb. A melee/ranged dps without TP can't do damage. A goad helps to bard/mch to don't play tp song or promotion skills.

If you don't meet dps requeriments, will you check others points than "oh we have a PLD-NIN-BRD".

If you think bard or MCH are broken, you are wrong, you should meet good players and not shitty DF/PF players unable to do a correctly rotation also with mistakes.

Actually a PLD brings less raid utility and has about the same damage reduction as WAR and DRK, it's main ability being Hollow, which is the only thing that allows healers to DPS more. When physical fights comes out Shieldtron could be of help but really probably won't be needed if tank swaps are done. :/

My prediction is that DRK will end up being the MT for the entirety of the 3.0 series as it basically mimics what PLD was in 2.0 just that it lacks Hollow ground. Best MT damage. Has same CD's as PLD had in 2.0, just a worse hollow ground.

Nin and Brd are no where near the level of PLD at the moment because their utility actually works. and both are almost always brought into any progression group to raise over all Raid damage.

Divine Vile and RoH are really the only things that PLD bring to a raid. Divine Vile being the only thing that cannot be replace by the other two tanks. It's new heal spell takes too long to cast and normally ends up in over healing due to you know, your healers healing.

To the OP, most Jobs have their uses. Play the jobs you want as the content can be cleared by anything as long as you're geared up for it. The only exception of not playing the job you want is if you're in a group shooting for Sever/world first.

[rappa]

PLD was behind DRK and WAR in Progression with lack of gear.
Now, with all 200/210 items around, bring pld-drk or war is not a big difference.

We killed a1s and a2s the first week with PLD
We killed a3s in 3 weeks after release with PLD

As i said, unless you started a few weeks ago to cap esoterics. You should able to do the same dps than the players who killed a3s without weapons or only with them and a few drops from alexander.

If you are unable to do it, there are a lot of tools to help you into progression. Parsers and logs, videos of your own raid (watch your movement or raid positions), talk to members to check if strats are being executed correctly.

[HoodRat]

Divine Vile and RoH are really the only things that PLD bring to a raid. Divine Vile being the only thing that cannot be replace by the other two tanks. It's new heal spell takes too long to cast and normally ends up in over healing due to you know, your healers healing.

This is probably the funniest thing I've read all week.