Ninja: Heaven-Sword (And Beyond)

[Aiurily]

seems like the general opener for suiton precast is split into 2 atm

low skill speed - bfb up for 2nd trick attack
huton 20s>suiton>SE (IR, BFB)>GS (Dex Potion)>AE/DE (Kassatsu)>SE (Trick Attack)>SF(Raiton)>Mutilate(DWaD)>SE(Mug)>GS(Duality)>AE(Jugulate)

high skill speed - bfb not up for 2nd trick attack, but up for 2nd DWaD and Duality
huton 20s>suiton>SE (Kassatsu, IR)>GS (Dex Potion)>AE/DE (BFB)>SE (Trick Attack)>SF(Raiton)>Mutilate(DWaD)>SE(Mug)>GS(Duality)>AE(Jugulate)

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVA8CzA-WIc

pretty sure these two by far outclass doing suiton in the opener (the only benefit to that is getting your suiton buffed by IR+BFB+pot, but that's not worth clipping your GCD at all)

now, someone go re-explore the dot opener (that i never bothered with). here's something i scribbled up from pushing buttons for 5 minutes

suiton>se kassatsu bfb>sf>dex pot>mutilate trick attack>se raiton>gs duality>ae dwad>se mug>sf jugulate

[MrCookTM]

Do you get the TA debuff guaranteed for SF on these two openers? I still double weave TA+Kass after SE for that reason.

[Aiurily]

if you do TA normally you'll always get it buffed, yeah

[AlphaDragoon]

seems like the general opener for suiton precast is split into 2 atm

low skill speed - bfb up for 2nd trick attack
huton 20s>suiton>SE (IR, BFB)>GS (Dex Potion)>AE/DE (Kassatsu)>SE (Trick Attack)>SF(Raiton)>Mutilate(DWaD)>SE(Mug)>GS(Duality)>AE(Jugulate)

high skill speed - bfb not up for 2nd trick attack, but up for 2nd DWaD and Duality
huton 20s>suiton>SE (Kassatsu, IR)>GS (Dex Potion)>AE/DE (BFB)>SE (Trick Attack)>SF(Raiton)>Mutilate(DWaD)>SE(Mug)>GS(Duality)>AE(Jugulate)

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVA8CzA-WIc

Interesting. I've been doing pre-pull Suiton for a while now, I normally go pre-pull Suiton, SE (BFB + IR), GS (Pot), DE, SE (TA + Kassatsu), SF (Fuma or Raiton), SE (DwD + Mug), GS (Duality), AE (Jugulate), Mutilate. I was doing this based on A: Being advised it's best to use TA and Kassatsu together to ensure TA is applied for SF as folks on here have stated, and B: earlier posts in here theorizing that a Duality AE is higher priority than Mutilate in the TA window.

I'm going to try these to see if the output is better. Thanks.

[Acayex]

Interesting. I've been doing pre-pull Suiton for a while now, I normally go pre-pull Suiton, SE (BFB + IR), GS (Pot), DE, SE (TA + Kassatsu), SF (Fuma or Raiton), SE (DwD + Mug), GS (Duality), AE (Jugulate), Mutilate. I was doing this based on A: Being advised it's best to use TA and Kassatsu together to ensure TA is applied for SF as folks on here have stated, and B: earlier posts in here theorizing that a Duality AE is higher priority than Mutilate in the TA window.

I'm going to try these to see if the output is better. Thanks.

TA would only not apply to SF if it was used too late before SF (hence people not doing Kassatsu + TA). With Suiton Pre-cast, you can move Kassatsu to after DE and use TA right after SE to have the same TA timing since TA + Kassatsu shouldn't bleed into your GCD unless bad lag.

[Arkenne]

Hrm...
How nice must it be to have such a ping :/

Well, as someone in the 109+ ping world my opener differs a bit, tho I can't remember when the buffs will be up again...
It works under the condition that it must end in 20 seconds, and work in most if not any situation:

You cast Huton:
Tank pulls in the Huton window 20~50 seconds:
Suiton > Kassatsu > Spinning Edge(B4B) > Gust Slash(IR) > Dancing Edge(Pot) > Spinning Edge(TA) > Shadow Fang(Shuriken) > Mutilate(DwaD) > Spinning Edge(Mug) > Gust Slash(Dual) > Aeolian Edge/Armor Crush(Jugulate)

Tank pulls before 20s of Huton wait time (so typical~♪):
Kassatsu > Suiton > Spinning Edge(B4B) > Gust Slash(IR) > Dancing Edge(Pot) > Spinning Edge(TA) > Shadow Fang(DwaD) > Mutilate(Mug) > Spinning Edge(Jugulate) > Gust Slash(Dual) > Aeolian Edge

If the Tank did the pull after 51 seconds of Huton, better reapply Huton and go for the 2nd option.

[Aiurily]

i take it back about the low sksp bfb first opener - your 2nd one wont have a mutilate in its duration if you use it 1 GCD before your 2nd trick attack (so, AE/DE/AC>BFB>SE>trick>SF, bfb not up for mutilate)

so the 2nd opener ("high" sksp) one is probably the best. adjust jugulate timing if you want (jugu+mug) and if it doesnt clip your GCD

[Yunnae]

Hello I'm a european player and I was wondering if the change of server will change our "rotation" (if we could call it that ). I hope that we won't have mudra lags anymore ! I can't wait

[MrCookTM]

Hello I'm a european player and I was wondering if the change of server will change our "rotation" (if we could call it that ). I hope that we won't have mudra lags anymore ! I can't wait

Nothing huge will change. I will try if double weaving ogcd's during my opener will be an option for me after the mudra fix/european data center is here, but that's it. The regular priority rotation is the same with and without lag anyway.

[Atreides]

Hello I'm a european player and I was wondering if the change of server will change our "rotation" (if we could call it that ). I hope that we won't have mudra lags anymore ! I can't wait

The EU servers will be a straightup DPS increase for Ninjas, however nothing on our rotation changes. Ever wondered why so many people say Ninja DPS is fine? Because it is with <50ms.
There might be a slight change depending on how good our latency becomes exactly, we might be able to fit Raiton in.