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  1. #181
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    Jazuke's Avatar
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    Jazuke Taizago
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    Ragnarok
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    Astrologian Lv 50
    Alright. So i main Astrologian, previously Scholar. I don't do DPS, unless it's neccessary, due fact i'm afraid i won't make the Heals in time, so i don't want anyone afflicted by Negative Statuses or losing HP too much or fast, so i just sit there and observe the entire Battle, using my head and see what is happening to help and assist. I'll always push in some damage if i see everything going very nicely and safely for everyone. I'll NEVER drop my Heals to a point i might lose an Ally, so i dare not take risks.

    NEVER assume someone is lazy or noob to begin with, we all have been there ourselfs anyways, so seriously quit it, yeah? Help newcomers or not so confident people to experience things better.

    Okay. I've rambled enough on. Hope some of you stopped thinking rude ways and come to think a more positive ways. Been a pleasure, and first time joining the Forums, sorry for being late! Jazzhands out!
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  2. #182
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    Critical-Limit's Avatar
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    Xizzy Azenith
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    Zalera
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucke View Post
    Tanks: Your main job is to keep aggro and maintain it. If you wanna push some more DPS out, more power to ya, just don\\\\\\\\\\'t get too fancy and lose aggro.
    Healer: Your main job is keeping your party alive. If everyone\\\\\\\\\\'s okay on health, and you wanna push out some more DPS, more power to ya. Just don\\\\\\\\\\'t let anyone die when you\\\\\\\\\\'re too busy DPS\\\\\\\\\\'ing in Cleric Stance.
    DPS: You have ONE job.

    As long as you are fulfilling your main role, whether that be keeping aggro or keeping everyone healed, I really don\\\\\\\\\\'t care if you wanna push out some DPS, just don\\\\\\\\\\'t wipe the group because you forgot your main role.
    if you want to be the best you can be you need to be willing to push limits and test how far you can push things like letting the tank HP drop low to squeeze more dPS.

    I respect the dPS that tried to jump on Bismarck too early and dies trying to test his limits.
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  3. #183
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    Elamys's Avatar
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    Song Sparrow
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    Balmung
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by KiraKarea View Post
    If it was intended for you to only heal, healers wouldn't get new offensive spells in the expansion afterall, right?
    Healers get offensive abilities so that they can level through the game. Not so they can take up a DPS role in a dungeon - that's a side benefit.

    This is actually the only MMO I've played where healers are, for some reason, expected to DPS. If the group is killing things in a timely manner, don't worry about it.
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    cerise leclaire
    (bad omnicrafter & terrible astrologian)

  4. #184
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    Rin_Kuroi's Avatar
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    Tahlia Panipahr
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    Leviathan
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    Summoner Lv 100
    I'm so lazy when doing my experts. Soooo lazy. I'll only help with damage when the dps are derps. Otherwise the extra minute or two I shave off the clear time isn't worth the effort.

    Then again I can't recall the last time I did an expert in df :P
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  5. #185
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    KiraKarea's Avatar
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    Naki Ryiu
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    snip
    I find it difficult to believe that WHM got 3 offensive spells out of 5 total just for leveling purposes in DW where they could level to 60 just fine with Stone II, Aero II and Holy (correct me if I'm wrong). Also, Assize reads "Wait, can't I possibly do a bit of a dps here instead of just casting medica...", imo.

    Also, nobody was talking about "taking up a DPS role". If anything, you could contribute to party performance by doing a bit of DPS here and there when you see fit.

    It is true that healers are under lots of pressure to do dps and that might cause people to actually play worse, or enjoy less the healing job. And as I said, this should not be the case all the time to see this as a requirement. But I think the argument for healers to do some dps when there is an opportunity should not be overlooked just because of the assumption it is a "healing" job.
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    Last edited by KiraKarea; 10-06-2015 at 03:25 PM.

  6. #186
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    Jazuke Taizago
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    Ragnarok
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    Astrologian Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by KiraKarea View Post
    Wise Kira
    Yes. First of foremost is Healers/Supports focus on their Main Objective, which is Survivability of the Party and Buffering/Assistance for the Party. Offensive Casting is recommended as option, if you have the chance and timely manner to do so. Never pressure your Allies, but always help them with tips and some good advices so they can become better!
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  7. #187
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    Yusei Max
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    Famfrit
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    As Healers, our job is keep everyone alive. We can if we're comfortable doing so but we aren't REQUIRED to do so. Play whatever healer job you want and enjoy it.
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  8. #188
    Player
    Jazuke's Avatar
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    Jazuke Taizago
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcu18 View Post
    As Healers, our job is keep everyone alive. We can if we're comfortable doing so but we aren't REQUIRED to do so. Play whatever healer job you want and enjoy it.
    If they do. Then we will lose Playerbase, because we refuse to fulfill Roles, and the game becomes unplayable when everyone else does the same because "I'm not required to do so.". The mindset you must have playing as a Healer is "Do my very best and stay focused on everyone!". We'll never improve our Skills if we refuse to fulfill the demand of the Job we picked. Comfort will be if you believe you're up for the challenge, regardless how horrible things goes. Fall and rise again to retry until success has been achieved. But yes, i agree on playing whatever Healer Job you want to.
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  9. #189
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    KarstenS's Avatar
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    Lilli Karani
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jazuke View Post
    because we refuse to fulfill Roles
    I always read fulfill roles.

    But first of all the people should take a look into the mirror, before pointing with the finger on others.

    Since I'm playing AST too, I'm watching others performance to decide, who is getting my cards and who not.

    I'm not kicking ppl when they perform bad. I do not leave when they perform bad. I do not complain when they perform bad. But I know it.

    So over the last couple of month, the overall DPS players are fulfilling their role for around 30% or less, compared to the DPS players in my static. Even the majority of tanks deal less than half DPS, compared to the tanks in my static.

    Do we point on the bad DPS players? No, because you can only know about the bad performance when using "parserz".

    Do we point on the bad tank players? No, because same reason as above.

    Bad DPS of tanks and DSP players is not the onliest issue for healers. Also the majority of players have a movement like a tree and do not avoid damage that is avoidable. Also intelligent usage of cooldowns is mandatory to get room for DPS.

    So why everyone and his mother is complaining here about healers?

    I'm pretty shure: The absolute minority of players in this thread, that are complaining here about healers, are performing good for their own.

    Look into the mirror. There is much more room for improvements.
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  10. #190
    Player
    Jazuke's Avatar
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    Jazuke Taizago
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    Ragnarok
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    Astrologian Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    fulfill roles.
    I wasn't saying that. I was saying basically saying something like what you said, but i can't write an essay, cause i max at 1000 Words. Sorry for the confusion.

    But yes. You have a valid point. But mine wasn't about "You must fulfill your Roles.". And i wasn't pointing fingers at people, so stop assuming i am. I'm tired of people thinking i'm out to make trouble everyday. I wish i could write an literal essay so explain everything in detail. And the only times i Vote a kick is if their attitude is very negative, so yeah.

    And to be honest. People bash me for doing my very best, and leading me to taking a good rest from FFXIVARR, cause it stresses me out to keep everyone in tip top shape.

    Honestly speaking. You play the way you want to play, but don't stop improving and practicing, cause Humans strive for becoming better in any way possible. The Role you pick is the same thing as you pick a Job in real life, exception you won't get kicked out but by Party's consent if you're not meeting up to their standards, which is mean, yes. But what can you do? In my Party and FC, we just do what we feel we wanna do. Find people who's a lot more calm and patient, hopefully won't bash you for silly reasons.
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    Last edited by Jazuke; 10-06-2015 at 05:39 PM.

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