NO MORE ALEXANDER(NM)!

[Nicobo]

I complete object to OP as the suggestion is not logical.
How come there will be a savage mode if there is no the original mode?

In AAR, there is a content series called The Binding Coil of Bahamut,
some players think it was not hard enough, and saying to others "gear is not important",
so one day, a savage mode was added, and it was made for challenge without gear drops.

In HW, Alex is the new Coil. But don't know why YoshiP forgot the purpose of savage mode.
And let ppl gear up in savage mode, this is the root of problem.

[Fluffya]

Saying that casuals got everything is false. Heavenwards is rather unfriendly for them in every parts of it.


Gathering: need to get scrips to echeange for favors to harvest nodes or sacrifice the scrips for gears.

Crafting: omni crafting is ABSOLUTLY needed with full meld artisan gears to even got a chance to hq a lvl51 recipe. And im not talking about the ridiculous quantity of mats needed. You need to kill a squadron of wyverns just to have 3 pieces of leather to craft some gloves. (Not even talking of the first craftable leather who require a timed node mat)

Bismarck and Ravanna EX are dead, only way to get pass them is asking friends or FC (if they are even log)

But yes, raids need a fix. The whole Heavenwards need a fix.

[hagare]

A) this game already gives absolutely everything the casual player.

Thank you dear.

P.S. Don't worry, don't have to apologize, just understand your idea was poorly thought out.

yes Dear, whatever you say.

[Nadirah]

A) this game already gives absolutely everything the casual player. Keep the upgrade items out of void ark and see what kind of post pop up.

Because having an entire raid tier of exclusivity isn't enough? What? Seriously?

You want to get more people doing Savage? Don't make them burn themselves out farming normal for loot by locking loot drops to one kill per week.

Done.

Running normal didn't burn you out. Running normal 20 times the first week because you couldn't roll for shit and *needing* that drop did.

To say anything different is lying.

[zosia]

Thank you dear.



yes Dear, whatever you say.

Sweetie, you aint gonna get under my skin with trying to marginalize me like a child, try again. You only server as a fantastic example as to why our community is divided. Keep it up though, it's an adorable effort for you to suggest things that you know nothing about, proven with your CS suggestion. /hug

Because having an entire raid tier of exclusivity isn't enough? What? Seriously?

You want to get more people doing Savage? Don't make them burn themselves out farming normal for loot by locking loot drops to one kill per week.

Done.

Running normal didn't burn you out. Running normal 20 times the first week because you couldn't roll for shit and *needing* that drop did.

To say anything different is lying.

Exactly hos is the raid tier exclusive? The story is the same, the gear looks the same (bar being dyable). The ilvl will be common in five weeks.
You know the gearing progression in this game is one of the worst in the industry, but keep falling back to this point of "you don't need to." Good luck getting on a raid team

[maxxvoltage4]

I was actually surprised when Nm came out that it dropped those Gordian gear as I expected it to be like the trials story mode with no drops. I feel that's part of the problem. They should have just kept it story, or drops a token, 4 tokens get one upgrade for eso gear, then keep the good gear in savage. That would at least be some motivation to run it. I however do not agree to gating the story. That is the one thing that everyone should be privy to. Not everyone is able to have enough time or stability to be in a static, as they have real world responsibility that eat at their precious time. To gate the story seems pretty unfair to them.

This is the only compromise I can think of that can satisfy both sides.
In the end let us remember that this game was made specifically to cater to both kinds of players.

[hagare]

Sweetie, you aint gonna get under my skin with trying to marginalize me like a child, try again. You only server as a fantastic example as to why our community is divided. Keep it up though, it's an adorable effort for you to suggest things that you know nothing about, proven with your CS suggestion. /hug

okay dear /hug

[Nadirah]

But the good gear is already in Savage....

The problem isn't normal, nor was it ever. It's not normal having loot.

It's that you could rerun a floor as many times as you wanted to get that one drop you needed/wanted.

Savage: drops pages +two items. That should have been normal's loot method.

[Astral145]

What about the majority of raiders that have very little to do right now? Casual players have alex Nm. Hardcore raiders have alex savage 1-4. What about the larger raiding population, the regular non-hardcore crowd. Are they just supposed to quit the game since the dev team does not care about them? Should they just unsub at this point since they literally will never have any meaningful raid content to do with this paradigm?

You're generalizing and it makes your points come off as presumptuous. Most of these "salty hardcore raiders" Will not even get to try upgrading left side eso items before 3.1.

LOL hardcore players get savage and casuals to midcore get NM.... Whats the problem we all get the same amount of content. Stop being so salty. Casuals and midcore get i190 - i200 with no options to upgrade. Hardcore gets i210 + i210 weapons + dye the raid gear and have the ability to upgrade Eso gear..... You act like you don't get anything.

Why do dis? You get what you want... an awesome raid for your level of enjoyment. Next time around don't go crazy with NM raids. Run it once to get it done then wait for savage because it wont be that far off. 3.1 introduces the new relics and you will have airship content to do while you wait. Level up other jobs you might want to try in the next savage raid. Make a few relics for those jobs or buy eso gear. Nobody is forcing you to run the heck out of NM raids then go run the heck out of savage mode. Chillaz and let everyone enjoy the game.

[zosia]

LOL hardcore players get savage and casuals to midcore get NM.... Whats the problem we all get the same amount of content. Stop being so salty. Casuals and midcore get i190 - i200 with no options to upgrade. Hardcore gets i210 + i210 weapons + dye the raid gear and have the ability to upgrade Eso gear..... You act like you don't get anything.

Why do dis? You get what you want... an awesome raid for your level of enjoyment. Next time around don't go crazy with NM raids. Run it once to get it done then wait for savage because it wont be that far off. 3.1 introduces the newrelics and you will have airship content to do while you wait. Level up other jobs you might want to try in the next savage raid. Make a few relics for those jobs or buy eso gear. Nobody is forcing you to run the heck out of NM raids then go run the heck out of savage mode. Chillaz and let everyone enjoy the game.

You don't need a static for NM alex, so all midcore statics are pointless? Are you really suggesting that midcore teams just fall back to alex NM, when you can success almost 100% with a df group? That's asinine. Raiding has always been the top of the mountain for MMO's and your suggesting that only 1% of the community should get the raid content relegating the other 99% of the player base to alex NM.

You're assuming that people are actually getting a4s down. One, maybe two, groups on my server recently got a4s down. All these perks you're talking about apply to a fraction of the raiding population.

Also, why is the responsibility on the raiders to consume the content in a particular way to not get burnt out? That's like telling non-raiders "git gud" if you want to see the story. SE dropped the ball. They are PROFESSIONAL game developers, it's their responsibility to design a reward schedule and gear progression in a way that does not burn players out. Blizz can do it with LFR, raiders hardly run LFR now. What's SE's excuse? They made a bad design choice making alex NM a stepping stone to savage, stop being an apologist.

But the good gear is already in Savage....

The problem isn't normal, nor was it ever. It's not normal having loot.

It's that you could rerun a floor as many times as you wanted to get that one drop you needed/wanted.

Savage: drops pages +two items. That should have been normal's loot method.

It is, but you're only getting weapons, dyable left side, twines, and dips if you're clearing a32 and a4s. Both fights are so hard that even the world 1st group, the best players in the world, are saying that it might have been a little over tuned. What else do you need said to you to prove that there is a bunch of problems with alex savage?