NO MORE ALEXANDER(NM)!

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

If it was a dungeon, I'd agree with you. But it's a raid, of which we get one every 4 months. It's not a piece of content like Triple Triad, and no one is asking for it to be catered exclusively to the casuals. In fact, people who are asking for normal to be removed are asking for it to be catered to the minority. The hypocrisy is honestly astounding.

I don't think they should take out Alex Normal Mode, that would do more damage than good at this point. But I also think making the entire game faceroll really isn't the answer either. Hopefully airship exploration will be more fun than Alexander was for me personally, but that remains to be seen.

[Colorful]

I don't think it should be removed, that would do more damage then good. But making the entire game faceroll really isn't the answer either.

Fair enough, I took you as one of those who want it removed. Honestly I believe the perfect solution that doesn't cost any extra development time is to delay Alexander normal by a month or two. All amazingly skilled players would have cleared it by then, and a lot of good player would have too. It would also stagger content so just when people like myself are getting bored of the two dungeons, extreme primal, and whatever other content the patch brings, we have a new raid to tide us over until the next patch. I think that's a good compromise.

[StrejdaTom]

Fair enough, I took you as one of those who want it removed. Honestly I believe the perfect solution that doesn't cost any extra development time is to delay Alexander normal by a month or two. All amazingly skilled players would have cleared it by then, and a lot of good player would have too. It would also stagger content so just when people like myself are getting bored of the two dungeons, extreme primal, and whatever other content the patch brings, we have a new raid to tide us over until the next patch. I think that's a good compromise.

In my opinion if Savage would be doable with i180 gear, there would be no need for raiders to do Normal Mode more than once, in that case they wouldn't be burned out. If they decided to overgear it to handle it better, OK, but they would do it on their own risks of being burned out.

Not sure how other people feel about that, but for me it would solve the whole part of being burned out after just getting geared for it. I am currently on A4s and 2 members of our static just said they want to be replaced, because they are burned out already (these guys have been raiding for years, so they can handle some stress I guess). I can understand them, we have been doing NM even 10 times a week (for some turns) to get our gear, that leaves a mark, especially when you step into the same fight later and drill it 4 times a week 3 hours straight..

Some people are using arguments that savage is here only for challenge. It used to be like that with savage Coil, but for Alex I would say that savage is the main content for every raider that is left in FFXIV (as normal coil used to be before addition of savage) and I guess when raiders were signing for it, they expected something else (that's atleast what I feel and what people in my static feel).. and the same fights in the same arena with the same story for dyable gear and mount just can't keep so many people going for months, it just isn't worth the effort because Coil raiding used to offer much more (fights were new, area was new, lore was new, gear was new from the rest of the game).

So SE will see the numbers on the end of 3.X cycle and will probably decide to scrap hardcore raiding completely or do some adjustments to save it (because the numbers will be even worse than they used to be for coil), that's up to them.

[Colorful]

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Is Savage even tuned at i190? I thought it required a combination of i190 + i200 gear to do it unless you could put some mind boggling DPS to the point of perfection. But regardless, I don't see that as being solution, tuned to i180 or not, the same people who are complaining now will still complain that they are burnt out because they grinded normal to make Savage easier on them. It's their own fault, but they will come on here and act like it was a requirement. I know from experience with WoW's LFR and a trinket that was better than the normal version from Siege of Orgrimmar iirc.

[LeeraSorlan]

I want to address one thing tho....Some people with reason around here have made some points....COIL was directly attached to the main story of 1.x and even mentioned on the main story of 2.x but ALEXANDER has no ties to the main story, hence making it a secondary story that not everyone needs to see it in other to get what will happen or happened in the main event of the game, so not 100% need to see it... NOW some smart people will come here and say million trash, then let's talk about all the stories behind every Class/Job. why do I need to lvl up to 60 every single class job to see the stories behind them? but I don't see anyone complaining about it... simply because it's not tied to the main story IS NOT RELEVANT is just there as a bonus for the leveling process.... Alexander is just the same

The drg questline actually changes the dialogue in the MSQ.(though minimal)

Such as if you had a drg level 50, estienin would reference you and make small quips about you being a dragoon.


No relevance to this, just the more you know

[StrejdaTom]

Is Savage even tuned at i190? I thought it required a combination of i190 + i200 gear to do it unless you could put some mind boggling DPS to the point of perfection.

I am not really sure what the world first teams used to have. My static cleared A1 when everyone was around 190-195, A3 around 200, I don't remember A2.
IMO if savage would sync everyone to i180, that would be the best (ofc the fight would have to be balanced for ilvl 180).

[NFaelivrin]

Alexander Normal should've been released either simultaneously or slightly later than Savage, having to actively grind Normal for RNG drops of which it only dropped 2 originally already made people burned out on these bosses before the actual raid mode even came out. The difficulty modes should be exactly that: independent difficulty modes, and doing Savage shouldn't require you to grind Normal. This also means Savage shouldn't be tuned to require Normal gear. This is before getting into the fact that the current raiding difficulties entirely remove the Coil level of difficulty (which a lot of people enjoyed) from the game for the sake of day 1 faceroll vs. a raid designed entirely to spite Lucrezia.

[dejavutwo]

I think that if Alex normal is released at the same time as savage, then the gear it drops should be at best equal to the previous savage set, so that raiders can skip it entirely. Otherwise, there is that pressure to upgrade your gear to do everything you can to help your group.

StrejdaTom put it quite nicely how raiding used to offer so much more. My group has been struggling quite a bit lately too because of the way the raiding was set up this tier, and once we lost on healer, and soon after a bard, we have been an endless revolving door trying to find replacements, which is also having its toll. People just are not finding the fights fun, and burnout came incredibly quick. I started feeling it back August when I suggested reversing the order of the 24-man/normal mode release.

[Velox]

The drg questline actually changes the dialogue in the MSQ.(though minimal)

Such as if you had a drg level 50, estienin would reference you and make small quips about you being a dragoon.


No relevance to this, just the more you know

This is true. When he first shows up he corrects Aymeric by saying "I am not the only Azure Dragoon" and then smiles at you and reassures you that he's back in control of the Eye. Also before the raid on the Aery he mentions something like "...the combined might of two Azure Dragoons," but if you haven't gotten DRG to 50 he says "...the Azure Dragoon and the Warrior of Light."

Oddly enough, if you go back and watch these scenes after in the Inn all the extra stuff is omitted and you only can see the standard dialog.

[Nadirah]

Is Savage even tuned at i190? I thought it required a combination of i190 + i200 gear to do it unless you could put some mind boggling DPS to the point of perfection. But regardless, I don't see that as being solution, tuned to i180 or not, the same people who are complaining now will still complain that they are burnt out because they grinded normal to make Savage easier on them. It's their own fault, but they will come on here and act like it was a requirement. I know from experience with WoW's LFR and a trinket that was better than the normal version from Siege of Orgrimmar iirc.

I'm pretty sure Alexander was tuned to be doable by the masses at 195-200.