Scholar possible buffs

[Sunako]

I......what........

Did i just read this?

You use lustrate over energy drain unless you need mana or are in clerics and need to push dps and either the whm is solo healing for a while or aetherflow is coming back very soon.

That is almost same than "you should use adlo over physick unless you need mana". If you have ever been in the endgame content, you notice how fast you can oom if you only spam lustrate and adlo.

[DarkerOrange]

What was wrong is that you posted something wildly inaccurate and tried to claim it as fact. Also, saying that you go OOM if you spam Adlo does not prove your point, it just shows that you don't really understand the class. Ofcourse you go OOM if you spam Adlo, cos it is not meant to be spammed.

Any even half decent SCH should never, ever, ever use all their Aetherflow stacks on Energy Drain unless they are in full DPS mode on sleep content like EX dungeons etc. I really hope you are trolling.

[Sunako]

Any even half decent SCH should never, ever, ever use all their Aetherflow stacks on Energy Drain unless they are in full DPS mode on sleep content like EX dungeons etc. I really hope you are trolling.

Did i said all aetherflows should be used for energy drains? I said if it is possible, you should use aetherflows for energy drains. There is 0 reason use lustrate if you can easily heal even without it. Ofcourse you are using lustrate if it help you for the healing and you need it. It is same for lustrate, it is not meant 2 be spammed. Aetherflows are supposed 2 use for shields, aoe heals, bane, energy drains too. Lustrate is not only skill that is supposed 2 use with aetherflow.

EDIT: And if you did not understand what if it is possible mean, it mean that once aetherflow is gonna run out from the cooldown you should use your stacks on energy drain before activate second one. Not spamming lustrates for "free heals". And if you did not know 3x energy drain is around 20% of your max mana so it is pretty big part of your mana control. It seems 2 be more like you that do not understand how class and mana control works. I do not understand why you have 2 be so offensive against someone that wanna tell their opinions.

[FoxyAreku]

The only way they should ever touch my lustrate is if they make it a % based heal again. God I never thought I would miss that so much...

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Scholar does lose a lot of Mana at 60, unlike 50.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

The only way they should ever touch my lustrate is if they make it a % based heal again. God I never thought I would miss that so much...

Again this, why is it even a thing?

Lustrate is 600 potency. With my gear that's good for about 4600 HP recovered. If we'd go back to the 25% value, target player has to have 18400 HP to heal for the same amount. The only jobs who'd have this kind of HP would be: Fully vit oriented paladins and dark knights or warriors in defiance or full vit orientation in deliverance. In a nutshell: Lustrate's far more powerful on non-tanks, especially on casters, roughly the same for paladins and dark knights and slightly weaker on warriors. There's also the thing that Lustrate can crit now, as opposed to the flat 25% value before HW.

The only thing that's majorly different would be that it's affected by cleric's stance now. But that's a simple matter of toggling off and toggling it back on after using lustrate. Unless you have 8 fingers amputated from both your hands, making button pressing a nightmare, how would this be an issue?

[FoxyAreku]

Again this, why is it even a thing?

Lustrate is 600 potency. With my gear that's good for about 4600 HP recovered. If we'd go back to the 25% value, target player has to have 18400 HP to heal for the same amount. The only jobs who'd have this kind of HP would be: Fully vit oriented paladins and dark knights or warriors in defiance or full vit orientation in deliverance. In a nutshell: Lustrate's far more powerful on non-tanks, especially on casters, roughly the same for paladins and dark knights and slightly weaker on warriors. There's also the thing that Lustrate can crit now, as opposed to the flat 25% value before HW.

The only thing that's majorly different would be that it's affected by cleric's stance now. But that's a simple matter of toggling off and toggling it back on after using lustrate. Unless you have 8 fingers amputated from both your hands, making button pressing a nightmare, how would this be an issue?

I do savage and I literally cannot remember the last time I lustrated a non-tank.
So that's...kind of an irrelevant point for me.

Also keeping cleric stance on for entire fights was just nice.

Scholar does lose a lot of Mana at 60, unlike 50.

You really shouldn't have mana problems as a scholar unless you're spamming adlo which is a horrible thing to do.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

I do savage and I literally cannot remember the last time I lustrated a non-tank.
So that's...kind of an irrelevant point for me.

Also keeping cleric stance on for entire fights was just nice.

If you never lustrate a DPS it still makes no difference. In the other post I mentioned non-warrior tanks get healed for the same amount before the change or more, depending on their vitality orientation. It's roughly the same for heavily vit orientated tank while also more effective on full str tanks (who will have around 13000-15000 HP depending on item level). The only ones you'll be healing less for would be warriors in defiance, about 8% less or 23% of their maximum HP pool.

[DarkmoonVael]

That is almost same than "you should use adlo over physick unless you need mana". If you have ever been in the endgame content, you notice how fast you can oom if you only spam lustrate and adlo.

End game raider on SCH since 2.0, all coils cleared before echo, savage t6 and t8 cleared before overgearing/unsynching, Savage Alexander floors 1 and 2 cleared withing 2 weks of release on SCH, working on Floor 3 currently (static issues have prevented our usual speed of progression on this floor) so yes i have been in this endgame content you are talking about, but since i know how to us SCH, i dont adlo spam. I also use the other skills that SCH have, you know, the non-lustrate, non-adlo ones.

Suggesting this is similar to adlo apamming is not the same thing. Adlo should be used to mitigate large hits in raids by a skilled SCH, not to spam happy as you are suggesting. Adlo is not a triage skill, it is there for a very very specific use.

If you can not use SCH without having to use aetherflow on energy drain instead using it on the other skills tied to the stacks without going oom, then perhaps SCH is not the class for you.

[Sunako]

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I do not know what you try 2 prove, but seems like you did not understand the main point i tried 2 say. If you compare tetra and lustrate. It is 2 totally different abilities with different mechanics and many skills are tied 2 aetherflow stacks. For scholar you need choose if you want spread dots with bane, if you wanna do shield, if you wanna do better singletarget damage, or if you wanna do fast aoe heal. WHM can freely use insta aoe heal, tetra, off global damage skill(fluid aura) or do aoe damage even if tetra is or bene is on cooldown. It is not "Op 3x lustrate pls nerf scholars" because many other skill is tied 2 aetherflow. For some situations it can be op, but well it is pretty hard balance because it is tied 2 aetherflow. Maybe they should put higher cooldown for lustrate? And yes i have beaten 2 first savage alexander with my alt sch too, it is easiest mana control from all healers and easiest play from all healers.