DF Penalty

[Nyalia]

The coincounter is far less forgiving, than other cyclops type/mechanic/reskins that appear in the game. *cough* fractal, snowcloak, halatali(hm).

I always found it MORE forgiving than the Coerthas Central super-FATE boss, personally. I think it's all the adds, and the slopes messing up swing dodging.

Am I the only one who wishes SE would (drastically) increase the penalty for leaving?

Yes.

There's no need to raise the DF penalty. 30 minutes is plenty to inconvenience people who abuse it while not overly penalizing people who leave to get out of a toxic situation or because of a short emergency. If you are so revenge-obsessed that you want to severely punish people who leave your group, you really need to learn to calm down, get over it, and let that anger go. Raising the penalty would only encourage people to vote-kick random folks anyway, possibly starting arguments/hostility with the party to get the other folks to kick one or the other, so they can avoid the penalty.

If the penalty was going to be two hours, and something happened where I'd have to go afk for 15-20 minutes unexpectedly, I'd afk in the duty instead of just leaving. How is that better? No one (with a soul) is going to report someone who goes "brb, family emergency," and it's not like it's going to take two hours to change a diaper or even put out a small kitchen fire.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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To add onto what Rice said, you're basically telling people that we can only wipe 2 or 3 times and then any of us can just ditch you because I can find another party without a penalty. This means you've set an unnecessary goal post where now everyone HAS to do the content with minimum wipes or everyone will just take their ball and go home and that's usually from the more impatient people. It's actually quite rare for me to see an entire group not working well together, but it's a lot more common to see one person who is just not doing what they're supposed to do, making them easy to kick out and get a replacement. If someone refuses to leave because they wanted to be kicked out and avoid a penalty, I am quite sure that falls on the grounds of harassment, which can be reported.


If the entire group is falling to pieces, that's what vote abandon is for. If one person is holding everyone back, kick them out. People don't need be quitting just because one person is being a jerk. Remember, 15 minutes wasn't enough to deter people from quitting so chronically and the abuse of fishing for in progress duties was high before the withdraw penalties were added. 30 minutes is not going to kill anyone; you aren't going to get bored any faster waiting 30 minutes to cap your esoterics so that you can run on the forums to complain that there's nothing to do.

[KingOfAbyss]

Hey everyone,

What I can propose, for those that don't have the patience to teach, or the other end of the stick, those who don't care and do whatever they want and then not listening after they die 2 times:

Make it so that if you die 4 times on a trial/dungeon/whatever, to be kicked out automatically AND suffer the 30min penalty, to reflect upon what you could have done to prevent it.

So if the entire group fails and wipe 4 times on the same boss (excluding raids of course), it means they were not able to communicate, improve, and they deserve to abandon it by force, as it proves they wouldn't have made it anyway, even with 90 mins available.

so instead of wasting 60 mins, everyone gets a 30mins penalty.

Perhaps then people will start to think twice before engaging, and once inside.. communicate.

I did Fractal yesterday (about my 3rd attempt) and at the beginning I state that I'm still new to it (I don't do my Roulettes every time I play, out of time.) Things are smoother and no one seems to complain, and we finish it.

So there you have my proposition.

Like it or hate it, people that just rant without trying to give others a little text, explaining a bit this boss, instead of 'Last try', the community might git gud, which points at the OP as well.

Sad cause I'm the type that will take 90 mins to complete it if it comes to it, but the community is sooo.. impatient, that we did Praetorium in 15 mins with my GF, and it was her first time. Did she enjoyed it? No need to tell you.

Thank you for reading.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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So anyone in a learning party for EX primals and Alexander/Coil will get kicked out by the system very frequently for wiping so much, even though they're communicating with others. Surely nothing bad will come out of that!

BTW, your idea is terrible.

[KingOfAbyss]

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DF = Bunch of mixed people who don't care one cent about you.

PF = is your friend, for creating what you want, learning parties and others.

My idea was for DF. *And I typed: excluding raids.

My point was to make sure that those who enter anything, don't do it blindly and not caring about other's time. I find the Votekick very rude, so instead having this option that I proposed would disable the votekick.

People can still leave if they want to.

*Did Nabraela Trial yesterday (Roulette) Half of them had their kill, for.. standing on the ground, 0 HP, even when you see the Healers sending them a Raise. Shame.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

So anyone in a learning party for EX primals and Alexander/Coil will get kicked out by the system very frequently for wiping so much, even though they're communicating with others. Surely nothing bad will come out of that!

BTW, your idea is terrible.

He did say excluding Raids.

And EX primals are still PF only right now, this discussion is DF stuff

[MilesSaintboroguh]

It's still a bad idea to begin with and it sounds like you're just mad over the handful of bad runs in DF. If someone is sucking that badly, a simple kick is all you need to do to get rid of them. Stop making "do or die" scenarios that help no one but getting yourself some sort of smug self satisfaction that "justice" was served.

And while current EX primals are not in DF, past EX primals are, along with coil and Alexander normal, so the point still stands.

[KingOfAbyss]

It's still a bad idea to begin with and it sounds like you're just mad over the handful of bad runs in DF. If someone is sucking that badly, a simple kick is all you need to do to get rid of them. Stop making "do or die" scenarios that help no one but getting yourself some sort of smug self satisfaction that "justice" was served.

And while current EX primals are not in DF, past EX primals are, along with coil and Alexander normal, so the point still stands.

You got me wrong, I'm one of those that don't mind spending the entire time allowed to clear anything, even when everyone (including myself) can suck

And once again, your impaired judgement is blinding you. Wonders who have the sense of justice ^^

I don't need anything to feel besides having a good time with people who tries their best but still fails.. BUT NEVER GIVE UP no matter what, until the timer runs out.

Have fun in the game ^^

[RiceisNice]

You got me wrong, I'm one of those that don't mind spending the entire time allowed to clear anything, even when everyone (including myself) can suck

And once again, your impaired judgement is blinding you. Wonders who have the sense of justice ^^

I don't need anything to feel besides having a good time with people who tries their best but still fails.. BUT NEVER GIVE UP no matter what, until the timer runs out.

Have fun in the game ^^

But, your suggestion goes against that. If you get kicked after 4 wipes, you won't even stick around for the timer. And now it shifts around; a single individual could sabotage the entire party and force them all to eat the penalty with malicious intent.

Outside of that, you won't even get those "we definitely got it this time" moments if you get hard kicked after 4 wipes.

[Deviant1]

i will never take a 30 min penalty for a bad party, ever!

I will try a vote abandon, vote kick the player who is too busy watching tv / is not doing their job, or just go afk.

too many times its some kid who is too drunk or stoned to focus on the dungeon, or they just are too casual to bother with learning their job... these are deliberate actions (They chose to drink/smoke/watch tv), and inaction (they chose to do something else with their time instead of learning the content/job, dodging, paying attention) is in itself an action. i find these actions to be harassing in nature, as they are inferring that it is the rest of the party and my responsibility to carry them. They deliberately are wasting my time because they could not spend theirs in alignment with the rest of the party/player base.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harassment
(1) : to annoy persistently (2) : to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct

Wiping on crap content annoys me, and if you cannot press the right buttons at the right time, then your physical conduct is not welcomed.