DF Penalty

[Ashelia_Ferron]

[QUOTE=RiceisNice;3336851]snip/QUOTE]
It\\'s not like I just decide " you guys suck, I\\'m quitting on you right now "

A group has to fail, CONSTANTLY, before I do anything like that. With no sign of progression. Like 5+ wipes. In a row.

And the FIRST THING I do is initiate a vote abandon and explain my reasoning. The only time I resort to that is if the group is like "trololo we can do it" when we clearly can\\'t. Or they say nothing.

I\\'m not like that one asshole healer I had in AV whom, after seeing that I was doing a full clear instead of a speed run, decided to stop healing.

I actually DO MY JOB TO THE BEST I CAN. IT IS NOT MY FAULT THAT OTHERS DON\\'T DO THE SAME, AND IF YOU\\'RE IN THE DUNGEON WITH ME, YOU WOULD JUST ACCEPT THE VOTE ABANDON because you would agree that the group isn\\'t progressing. OR, if the problem was clearly from one of the members, you\\'d agree to the vote kick.

So don\\'t take my post out of context

[Devils_Lawyer]

Waaah! i had to leave a dungeon and now i cant do another one for 30 minutes Waaah!

Stop crying its not the end of the bloody world.

[raela]

Most angry I think I've gotten in leveling roulette was doing cutter's cry for tomes on sch at 50 pre-expansion. Was a messy struggle to the end (when normally fairy can solo heal) and the party just could *not* manage chimera. Tried to help all I could, but there was no improvement. At 5 minutes left on the dungeon timer, the others left. I was pissed that I wasted a whole 90 minutes and got absolutely nothing to show for it - not even exp.

DF is a mess. Most of the time it works well, but the negative roulettes come to mind much easier. I took at least a week break, if not longer, from low roulette after that one.

[kazeandi]

So, I feel I need to ask since no one else appears to.

The two DPS apparently didn't know or understand the boss mechanics leading to the wipes.

Did you, with all your experience in the game and in that dungeon ... try to teach them?

I told them to stay at range and dodge the mechanics, of course. In English and Japanese, since Tonberry is a Japanese server. The tank was an English speaker, the SMN a Japanese and the BLM didn't talk at all - which is usually a sign they're English speaker, too.
So I actually explained the mechanics twice.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

[Lexia]

And therein lies the point I'm making.

My only choices are two evils. That seems like a broken system to me

Not really you rather be stubborn and risk getting suspended/ban from the whole game then take a 30 minute penalty from just a dungeon and still be able to play the rest of the game.

[ShadowYomi]

I stand by my idea that SE should allow us to use our ability to kick on ourselves and just have the same reset timer on it.

[basketofseals]

It\\'s not like I just decide " you guys suck, I\\'m quitting on you right now "A group has to fail, CONSTANTLY, before I do anything like that. With no sign of progression. Like 5+ wipes. In a row.

And the FIRST THING I do is initiate a vote abandon and explain my reasoning. The only time I resort to that is if the group is like "trololo we can do it" when we clearly can\\'t. Or they say nothing.

I\\'m not like that one asshole healer I had in AV whom, after seeing that I was doing a full clear instead of a speed run, decided to stop healing.

I actually DO MY JOB TO THE BEST I CAN. IT IS NOT MY FAULT THAT OTHERS DON\\'T DO THE SAME, AND IF YOU\\'RE IN THE DUNGEON WITH ME, YOU WOULD JUST ACCEPT THE VOTE ABANDON because you would agree that the group isn\\'t progressing. OR, if the problem was clearly from one of the members, you\\'d agree to the vote kick.

So don\\'t take my post out of context

The context is you're holding the group hostage. If you don't have the patience to deal with less adept party members, then don't do roulettes. There's other ways of leveling if you don't want to help others.

[pushin_tin]

Funny enough, I was in AV the other day on my AST alt at level 49 - about 85% of the XP bar full. The run was pretty rough with slow DPS and a PLD tank that rarely used flash. I hit 50 during the trash before the final boss and decided to just finish it out.

Tank proceeded to get hit by the last boss's Bad Breath twice - TWICE. After the wipe, I just left. I'd rather do my class quest than deal with that.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

snip.

I can reverse that argument just as easily. If you\\'re not good at your class, maybe you should queue with friends or FC mates and get personal help instead of causing others to have to deal with it. And don\\'t give me that "But there are people who have no friends". This is an MMO. Massive MULTIPLAYER online. It\\'s expected that you at least socialize and get connections in game and not do the whole thing by yourself.

The roulette is Duty Roulette: Leveling. Not Duty Roulette: Teach the incompetent how to play their jobs. So don\\'t tell me what the roulette is for.



And I consider sticking around, giving tips to people for 5+ wipes plenty of patience. It\\'d be one thing if I left immediately after like one failure. But spending 15+ minutes on one boss? With no advancement? Wiping at the same % each time? Yeah, no. You can only help people so much in a dungeon.