DF Penalty

[OfTheWhitewind]

It's definitely a necessary system and it would be too hard to implement it only under certain circumstances. 30 minutes isn't eve that bad a penalty considering how easy it is to spend that time doing something else.

I'm thankful for it. It keeps people from quitting and re-queuing ad nauseam. I also would rather just deal with a penalty time than have to deal with a truly awful party.

[Lexia]

I usually just sit there then. I'm the healer, they can't really proceed without me.

They can either agree to vote abandon or kick me. A bad group is a bad group.

This is just as bad cause then you or others like that not being any better then the rest of the group, don't like the group leave and eat the penalty don't contribute to the problem.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

This is just as bad cause then you or others like that not being any better then the rest of the group, don't like the group leave and eat the penalty don't contribute to the problem.

Why should I eat a penalty if I'm playing my class the way I'm supposed to and we get nowhere? When a group fails multiple times consistently then the group will never ever proceed, especially if the fault is on more than one player.

There is no reason the player doing their job, doing mechanics, should be penalized for incompetency from their dungeon mates

[Nektulos-Tuor]

As a healer. I will tell you now.

You get AV?

Immediately exit the dungeon. Not worth it. Do something else.

[TyrErlieden]

Actually I love the 30 minute reprieve after a horrible party. I need every minute to cool down and convince myself that the next party won't suck as bad.

[RiceisNice]

Now I'm sitting here with a 30 min penalty. Kept the pretty bad team alive during the instance up to boss number two, wiped 3 times with them, wasted one buff food and 45 minutes, so why do SE need to penalize me further?

The game should check how many wipes happen and if mechanics are to blame, then waiver the penalty when you leave after 3 tries.

Nothing would stop the tank from suicide pulling three times and leave because it gets waived. A better alternative would just be waiving the penalty after 30 minutes of being inside the instance (which won't stop special individuals that will outright refuse to pull, but it's sure as hell better than the alternatives)

I usually just sit there then. I'm the healer, they can't really proceed without me.

They can either agree to vote abandon or kick me. A bad group is a bad group.

We don't need any more of these sort of people in DF, and I'm pretty sure that can be reportable as harassment if you refuse to progress the party (or as the GM says, "Holding them hostage") Just leave, take the penalty and do something in the meantime. You're SoL if everyone did this if people obliged with a DF kick every time it was asked or forced upon because the tank or healer (and they are typically the people that do this because they have the luxury of an instant queue) demands the party to kick them or else they won't progress.

One side has to instigate the stubbornness to hold the party back, and that's asking to be kicked (and not wanting to move if it's denied), not the people who refuse to kick (either because they don't want to or because they can't).

[Hayward]

As a healer. I will tell you now.

You get AV?

Immediately exit the dungeon. Not worth it. Do something else.

It's people like you that make me want SE to change the penalty from 30 min. to [Dungeon Time - time spent] unless the party votes to abandon. This game does not need more princess healer/tanks acting like they get to choose their Duty Finder dungeon.

[basketofseals]

Why should I eat a penalty if I'm playing my class the way I'm supposed to and we get nowhere? When a group fails multiple times consistently then the group will never ever proceed, especially if the fault is on more than one player.

There is no reason the player doing their job, doing mechanics, should be penalized for incompetency from their dungeon mates

Because what you're doing is a reportable offense. If you have no intention continuing, then you're supposed to leave. Roulettes aren't there just for you, they're to help other people. If pubs are such a problem for you then you need to make your own group.

[Iagainsti]

There's a reason AV is one of the most hated dungeons among healers.

Funny, when I see AV pop, I think Experience Ka ching $xp$

[SendohJin]

The game should check how many wipes happen and if mechanics are to blame, then waiver the penalty when you leave after 3 tries.

what you're saying doesn't happen often enough to warrant the development cost of such a feature. Vote Abandon should work in most cases where this is relevant anyway. you can't ask the devs to program for every outcome.