What is a BAD player?

[drmambo1999]

Bad- being utterly moronic. Not knowing how to do your job in 50+ dungeons... You have had 50 spoon fed levels to figure this out. How dense are you?! Or like you said, no dodging. Like really dodging starts at lvl1 puks do a frontal attack that can be dodged. Figure it out.

Also not to say they are "bad" but I don't understand the good enough attitude. I understand that not everyone will or even can be top tier but why do you not want to even try to better yourself?

Kind of off topic. But baddies who try to sneak their first clear into a farm party are scum lol

Lol I have done that last one. XD I like to think i am not bad, but after a while of having crap luck with PF clear parties, I will join a farm party if I feel I know the fight well enough. It is always awkward when those additional tomestones pop up though. XP I can agree with the "good enough" attitude as well. I think people shouldn't be too hard on themselves but when they decide it is fine to just idle at a sub par skill level, it can be irksome.

[Kathyz]

Plain and simple, a Bad player its the one who don't want to learn from the team for the team, Drops out, rinse and repeat.... and that Monk of yesterday who only now Snap Punch.

[VargasVermillion]

I define a bad player as someone who doesn't want or try to improve at the game yet still demands to get rewards for playing the game. Because lets face it, it's really the only way you could be truly bad at this game. The bar isn't that high. otherwise it's lack of research or ignorance of mechanics and I'm not just referring to instances themselves.

[Fevelle]

I define a bad player as someone who doesn't want or try to improve at the game yet still demands to get rewards for playing the game. Because lets face it, it's really the only way you could be truly bad at this game. The bar isn't that high. otherwise it's lack of research or ignorance of mechanics and I'm not just referring to instances themselves.

Now we only have one way of acquiring ilv210 equips, with raiding. Not everyone likes raiding (like me), I don't have time, I don't have patience to "progress" trough anything and I don't have an open schedule where I can have day and hour to play a game (really, this isn't work, knowing that people have raid hours programmed doesn't make sense in my mind), and yes, I demand casual content where I can be rewarded dor playing the game for the amount of time I have. And I'm glad to say that SQEX heard the pleas of the casual player base with the explorations and its drops.

[VargasVermillion]

I don't have time

Casual or not is irrelevant to me, if you do not try to put in effort when playing your class/role and still want the same rewards as those that do then you are a bad player. I'm not calling people who don't raid 'bad' I don't even raid anymore. But most people who use 'casual' as an excuse are generally just lazy and expect rewards for basically doing nothing in the game. If you actually do lack time to do any content in game then you don't really have time to be playing it at all.
Raid fights for example only take 20 mins tops, any other time is spent learning fights so if you really wanted to do raid content you could, you would just have to deal with not getting rewards right away or getting content done before others (which doesn't really matter unless you are going for world firsts anyway).

[Fevelle]

If you actually do lack time to do any content in game then you don't really have time to be playing it at all.

What? I don't how you think life works, but some days you get one hour free, other 3, others none. 1 hour on this game is nothing more than 2 roulettes due to queue time (my Expert takes 6-7 minutes to pop, and I'm a healer). If this was a f2p game I would agree, but since it's not and the devs have said that this game is a themepark and supposed to be casual friendly, YES, I can expect rewards for doing content that I have time to and that are interesting. Like the explorations they will implement now, like the esoterics equipment that I can cap weekly with only EX Roulette and like Gold Saucer games/glamours.

And as I said, I dont like to Raid, I don't like PVP too. I come from games like Ragnarok Online and Grand Chase, with heavy PvE content and level grinding based, as well as old-school RPGs, so I don't see anything fun in raiding at all. Especially Alexander. I just did the normal mode to finish the goblin quests, and I'm not even going to unlock Savage because it's a waste of time, time that I could use having fun, not running "learning groups" to learn something useless just to get a drop that won't be the best anymore after 3 months.

"But you shouldn't expect rewards if you don't want to do content"
Yes, I want to do content, just not THAT content. You'll se me a lot in the new islands, hunting, and leveling alts, because that's what I like to do, and paying as much as you do (maybe more because most people don't have 8 retainers), I expect to be rewarded for that. But anyway, you don't have to agree with that, since the devs are already implementing good content for us 'casuals' (isn't that right? with the quote marks and all).

[VargasVermillion]

Stuff

You say you don't like to raid which is fair enough, but if you really wanted to you could, time isn't a real excuse. You say that even if you wanted to raid you wouldn't have time to but you do have time to, if you have time to do relics, leveling, crafting or whatever else, you have time to raid. You likely couldn't do all on the same session but you could make time for these things if you really wanted to, only exception would be competing for world/server firsts or something. Anyway point is that a 'bad player' is someone who won't put effort into the game and expects to get equal rewards to those that do.

[Moonleg]

if you have time to do relics, leveling, crafting or whatever else, you have time to raid.

I can sit down and craft for ten minutes, get up to tend to RL for ten minutes, then sit back down and resume crafting immediately.

I can run a dungeon for whatever relic part I've gotten to when the time opens up for me, whether that's 4 pm, 7 pm, or 1 am. Same for leveling.

Raiding has a set-in-stone time several evenings of every week that MUST be dedicated to the game no matter what demands the real world has of me.

That's the difference. Does a given player spend a lot of time in the game? Sure. Does that player necessarily spend time in the game at the usual raid times? No.

[Melch]

What?

You're making it too much of a "you raiders" vs "us casuals". Some people like to raid because it's actually challenging and you also meet some smart and nice people there.
You don't like to raid, it's fine. But don't give us the "I don't have time" card.

[drmambo1999]

You're making it too much of a "you raiders" vs "us casuals". Some people like to raid because it's actually challenging and you also meet some smart and nice people there.
You don't like to raid, it's fine. But don't give us the "I don't have time" card.

I respect both perspectives on this one. I personally used to hate raiding as I used to not like playing with others, but FF14 started me on the raid band wagon. I now love doing ex primals and dungeons and desperately want to get into Alexander. XD I will say that, while time isn't the sole reason preventing players from doing raids, it is indeed a factor. I usually work from 4pm to 12am at my hotel and when I get home is when I hop on to play some ff14. That time period sucks for trying to gather up a party for pretty much anything on my server.

One could say, "oh well play before work." Sure that is an option, but I have to consider other IRL activities and "Do I wanna be awake for that?" XD Basically as I stated above, time is a factor but not the end all reason for some not doing raids. I agree that if said player REALLY wanted it, they could make time, but I don't think there is anything wrong with not wanting to make time for it either. I personally think the game offers plenty to do for the non raider types though.

EDIT: Couple of options for those who want to raid but have trouble being on a the right times, are Link shells and large Fc's. (I need more link shells as my FC is made up of IRL friends. XD)