Tanks, please use strength gear.. :(

[Blitzace]

And once again a very good reason why full STR is not always is in your best interest for these *elitest* people out there.

Random PT(As i said many times before) Just a simple exp roulette. Was running full str (Healer was mix of 180/190) First pull i died. His response "Oh... you're running full dps"
So i changed two equips from slaying to fending. Barely made the first pull. Second pull i wiped again. went full fending this time around, Nearly died again had to use HG on a trash pull. Cause Mr.healer was to busy DPSing and then continued to heal in CS instead of taking it off and give proper heals, Let not start about the fact he never used Beni not even once.

So yes, FULL STR my ass. It all comes down to how comfortable your party is with it, And how comfortable you are with it.
I usually run full STR or a mix. But i'm getting sick and tired of people saying there is no need for full vit or even a mix of vit/slay.

You run with a random group and get a less-skilled healer and see how many times you'll wipe if you do big pulls.

If a tank wants to run full fending, (As a healer) i love it. means i get more DPS time and just an overall more smooth dungeon run.
But if he decides to go full str, No problem. So let the player decides wether he goes full str/vit mix or what ever.

Ofcourse pre-mades PT /PF PTs are a different story.

[Shyle]

Random PT(As i said many times before) Just a simple exp roulette. Was running full str (Healer was mix of 180/190) First pull i died. His response "Oh... you're running full dps"
So i changed two equips from slaying to fending. Barely made the first pull. Second pull i wiped again. went full fending this time around, Nearly died again had to use HG on a trash pull. Cause Mr.healer was to busy DPSing and then continued to heal in CS instead of taking it off and give proper heals, Let not start about the fact he never used Beni not even once.

Full Str isn't to blame here, the terrible healer is. Even when you said you swapped to fending, you *barely* survived first pull then second you died again. This story has nothing to do with str vs vit, it's just simply the healer was terrible.

[JackFross]

I mean, I've run full fending on the last boss of Fractal in Shield Oath and had a healer who couldn't keep me alive. That healer had to leave. Another one with equivalent gear came in. I swapped back to full strength gear and slapped on Sword Oath. We cleared in one shot and I was never close to dying.

The gear on the tank isn't the problem. Healers who don't know how to do mechanics and heal at the same time is.

[rawker]

A great healer will not mind healing a full VIT or full STR tank.

I tend to check my healer's stats whenever I'm in an instance. If I see that they have a tank or all tanks leveled up, I know that I am in good hands. Likewise, a great tank have 1/all healing class/es leveled.

[Huntington]

I think right now with Heavensward only being around a little over a month or so, it's a good time to mix STR and VIT. The month before 3.0, we had ran through the content that was out for months on end, more people were used to everything they were doing and I myself ran full STR on WAR and mixed on PLD because by that point nothing was new and I had done nearly everything by then. Right now content is still new to people and they're leveling everything up, so I go mixed on all my tanks, 3 STR and 2 VIT. Two months from now I'll probably be able to run full STR Accessories because people will be used to how the stats and jobs are then, so it's all about who you're with and how long the content has been out.

[Sleigh]

And once again a very good reason why full STR is not always is in your best interest for these *elitest* people out there.

Random PT(As i said many times before) Just a simple exp roulette. Was running full str (Healer was mix of 180/190) First pull i died. His response "Oh... you're running full dps"
So i changed two equips from slaying to fending. Barely made the first pull. Second pull i wiped again. went full fending this time around, Nearly died again had to use HG on a trash pull. Cause Mr.healer was to busy DPSing and then continued to heal in CS instead of taking it off and give proper heals, Let not start about the fact he never used Beni not even once.

So yes, FULL STR my ass. It all comes down to how comfortable your party is with it, And how comfortable you are with it.
I usually run full STR or a mix. But i'm getting sick and tired of people saying there is no need for full vit or even a mix of vit/slay.

You run with a random group and get a less-skilled healer and see how many times you'll wipe if you do big pulls

If a tank wants to run full fending, (As a healer) i love it. means i get more DPS time and just an overall more smooth dungeon run.
But if he decides to go full str, No problem. So let the player decides wether he goes full str/vit mix or what ever.

Ofcourse pre-mades PT /PF PTs are a different story.

Just an FYI, most of us who advocate going STR or crafted accessories don't mean to use STR on a PLD doing large pulls. It doesn't actually help the situation on a PLD as gearing towards STR on a DRK or WAR does, where more STR = realistically (sometimes vastly) shorter pull and more HP restored from Bloodbath and/or Abyssal Drain.

[JackFross]

STR scales Flash enmity upwards, doesn't it? I've heard so many PLDs cry about Flash being crap and needing a buff, but I've literally never had issues with CoS+Flash in Shield Oath holding mobs, even running with casters dropping 1500+ dps on 5-mob pulls. I just spam Flash/CoS and cycle Goring Blade combos/use Sheltron for MP regen and I never need to even dip below half MP to hold everything to me by a wide margin. The only time I lose hate is a Bard of Machinist going FULL IN ALL BUFFS SINGLE TARGET in a 5+ mob group, which is when I just let them suffer because they're shit dps.

[Sida]

To the comments about healer being bad and saying it's not relevant to this conversation, I think it is very relevant. You can't choose your party (in random DF) but you can choose your equipment. Instead of going blanket black and white, I say tanks should know how adding STR affects to their job, not be afraid to use it when it's reasonable, but that's about that. No strict "you have to use this or that".

[Lantia]

Yesterday I switched my VIT Gear to STR Gear:
Lost 20% of my HP (drop from 10k to 8k) and only won 10% DMG.
Did a small testrun on the Big Yeti Fate:
Result: DMG can be still ignored but I lost 20% of my HP (no hate issues by players in my same range so same as before)

So I do not see why STR should be much better then VIT.
I also read some calculations that STR PLD can increase in endgame the DPS of the group by 100-200. Which means it needs (based on 4000+ DPS) 20-40 Seconds to be worth for one Second of normal DPS.

So a 360sec fight will be decreased by 9 - 18 Seconds by a STR Tank. These are 3,6 - 7,2 GCDs....
So if the data in another topic is accurate it is just saying: STR is still not worth. 9 - 18 Seconds faster per Bossfight will make it up to 1min in a normal Dungeon.

Either the theocrafting I found int this forum was wrong or STR is really not so much better then some people here are talking about.

Well I think I will use STR for leveling, fating or if I am really well with the group. Not to help the group DPS but to see bigger numbers on my PLD.

[Freyyy]

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That's bullshit man. If you only got 10% more damage by switching to STR gear you did something wrong. The difference is way higher. And just for the fun test, Tuesday with my static's tank mate we did A1S in full VIT and full tank stance 100% of the time and no healer DPS at all. We were unable to kill the boss before the 3rd jump and we even got to the 4th tank buster, where with STR tanks and DPS stances we kill them before the 3rd jump. That's quite a big difference.