Crafting is fun!

[DarkB]

Crafting in XIV is one of the worse system ever. There is absolutely no reason to craft because 1) gils are useless (you get handled every piece of gear from dungeons 2) you dont need any piece of crafted gear since you can find those in dungeons.
The only reason to craft is culinary for food (even tho you could do content without it, but it helps) and alchemy pots (again you could do without it).

Now the fact that somebody enjoy crafting doesnt mean that the crafting system is well designed.
It has no meaning really, it could be a stellar system but they completely threw it out of the window with poor choices and very bad develop design. On top of this the market and economy is totally destroyed because HQing stuff that isnt very very high level, is basically 100% which shouldnt be.
Make it way harder to HQ items, that way the market wont collapse, there shouldnt be any 100% HQ synth.
Also to make crafters more valuable they should add items that drops from high end raids which you can craft the ultimate gear. This way you would make crafting useful.
at the moment is just...pots/food. 2/8 crafting classes useful.

[Silverbane]

Now the fact that somebody enjoy crafting doesnt mean that the crafting system is well designed.

Yes, it does. This is a game: that people enjoy playing it is all that matters.

[Gilthas]

Yes, it does. This is a game: that people enjoy playing it is all that matters.

By your logic: Since others don't enjoy crafting that must mean that the system is poorly designed.

So apparently the system is both well and poorly designed.

[Silverbane]

By your logic: Since others don't enjoy crafting that must mean that the system is poorly designed.
So apparently the system is both well and poorly designed.

This is true of all games: none of them are fun for everyone. Which makes statements about them being "poorly designed" (except from the standpoint of the quality and efficiency of the software as software) purely subjective, and not much more meaningful than saying "it is not what I want."

Well, "you can't please all of the people all of the time." -- John Lydgate

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

This is true of all games: none of them are fun for everyone. Which makes statements about them being "poorly designed" (except from the standpoint of the quality and efficiency of the software as software) purely subjective, and not much more meaningful than saying "it is not what I want."

Well, "you can't please all of the people all of the time." -- John Lydgate

But you can objectively tell when things are going good or wrong.

And 3.0 crafting is absolutely clearly going wrong, the vast mayority of crafters, whole crafting linkshells across all servers in all datacenters have said so. People like the OP are not even a number to consider compared to the ammount of people who isn`t enjoying crafting in its current state.

3.0 red scrips, forced gathering and useless end game are all, objectibly, bad.

[Silverbane]

But you can objectively tell when things are going good or wrong.
And 3.0 crafting is absolutely clearly going wrong.

This is provably incorrect. I'm enjoying 3.0 gathering and crafting. Whether I am speed-gathering for Favor mats or rolling the dice in a 2-star craft, I am having fun. And thank goodness there's a scrip cap, or my IRL job might be at risk.

Therefore 3.0 crafting is subjectively going good, from my point of view. And like spicy food, if something is subjectively good to some and subjectively bad to others, then it is impossible for it to be objectively good or bad.

Sure, 3.0 crafting is different from 2.0 crafting, like habanero chili peppers are different from green peppers, so people who liked one might not like the other. But it's just a matter of taste, not of objective good or bad.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

This is provably incorrect. I'm enjoying 3.0 gathering and crafting. Whether I am speed-gathering for Favor mats or rolling the dice in a 2-star craft, I am having fun. And thank goodness there's a scrip cap, or my IRL job might be at risk.

Therefore 3.0 crafting is subjectively going good, from my point of view. And like spicy food, if something is subjectively good to some and subjectively bad to others, then it is impossible for it to be objectively good or bad.

Sure, 3.0 crafting is different from 2.0 crafting, like habanero chili peppers are different from green peppers, so people who liked one might not like the other. But it's just a matter of taste, not of objective good or bad.

Again wrong.

Objectively speaking, when you have, way over too many members of the community NOT enjoying your content, is cause you messed up and your content is OBJECTIVELY BAD even if someone likes it, as for example, there is people that likes to be abused, its fun for them, but the act of abusing is still objectively bad.

One "i like thread" and a few persons like yourself doesn`t even weight against the several tens of threads on all laguages across all data servers and all the craftsmen and woman dissapointed and even whole guilds (be it FC or LSs) of crafters going down thanks to the changes of 3.0 ... It`s a bad system, 3.0 was a bad change, if you enjoy it, good for you, but is still, objectively speaking, for the way grater (by landslide) mayority of crafters who doesn`t like it is a terrible system that needs changes, a full 180º turn if you ask me, this whole concept of killing omni-crafting by forcing interdependence is a mess.

If you have people, diehard mastercrafters droping their main activity because of a patch, said patch is bad.

Exactly like bad raid content makes raiders to leave and drop the games.

[Alahra]

Well, "you can't please all of the people all of the time." -- John Lydgate

This is true. However, ARR crafting *did* please me (and others) and 3.0 crafting no longer pleases us. We're not crazy for wishing things were different, especially if crafting was something about the game we once really enjoyed but no longer do because of the overhaul.

[Silverbane]

This is true. However, ARR crafting *did* please me (and others) and 3.0 crafting no longer pleases us. We're not crazy for wishing things were different, especially if crafting was something about the game we once really enjoyed but no longer do because of the overhaul.

I at least have never said you are crazy. I just say that I am enjoying the current system, but I also enjoy sashimi, which not everyone does.
3.0 crafting isn't broken, it's just not to everyone's taste.