My Experience With Alexander Normal Yesterday As A Tank

[Reinth]

Sure, that is a valid point. Complaining about DF not going smoothly because you went in blind is stupid. But at the same time, people here acting like its the end-of-the-world or asking such ridiculous things like "Should have watched a video!" or "Make a PF" for Story Content is so counter-intuitive and quite honestly beyond stupid.

Besides, if he actively stated that he is new, and the party did not take any appropriate action, it is the other players fault. They have no one to blame when he under-performed that their own silence. I mean, when you expect a new player to perform at knowledge-level without any help all you are doing is setting up for failure.

What is this? Roegadyn brotherly love?

[Kyros]

yea, they shoulda just kicked him or vote abandoned

Sure, let's go with that. Because that will in no way backfire or make them lose more time than spending the oh so dreadful 10 or so seconds it'll take to type out what to do.

blaming someone for not teaching is as ridiculous as blaming someone for not wanting to learn.

He actively stated he is new. It's not like he's covering his ears and going la la la. That is about as far as his responsibility goes as a new player in story content.

And yes. I'll blame anyone not speaking up when a new player asks for help. Because the opposite of speaking up is not doing anything and wiping - which is quite honestly stupid.

[DarkmoonVael]

Make a PF if you want to go in blind and figure things out as a group/yourself or go in with your static to do this. Going in blind through DF is basically wasting 7 other peoples time. There is a little more going on in Alexander Normal in terms of mechanics compared to things like Crystal Tower, so expecting people to explain things to you, for the simple reason that you dont want any spoilers via a video, is slightly selfish when it comes to the time you potentially wasting of those 7 other people.

[hagare]

What is this? Roegadyn brotherly love?

more like roegadyn tank love

Sure, let's go with that. Because that will in no way backfire or make them lose more time than spending the oh so dreadful 10 or so seconds it'll take to type out what to do.

you're not that rare.
and your argument goes back to square one again.

[Kolaina]

Besides, if he actively stated that he is new, and the party did not take any appropriate action, it is the other players fault.

i do not agree with this. this is saying it's right to approach things in a manner which hinder the majority. expecting others to compensate for where you lack is distasteful and far too common in this game.
in a dungeon i usually only explain bosses which may prove difficult blind and can easily wipe the group, aery is a good example as it has a dps check and an enrage timer. but its a dungeon, with simple mechanics.
alexander normal is still raid content with dumbed down raid mechanics. tank is a pretty important role (except in a4). explaining these mechanics takes substantial time. far more if i need to provide different explanations for multiple roles. or trying to explain a2 spawns? because apparently he struggled there so somethin as simple as grab everything and bring them together wasnt something he could figure out on his own. would take him far less time looking it up for himself. or ask a friend and waste the time of 1 person instead of 7

[Kyros]

and your argument goes back to square one again.

Please elaborate. Because being completely ambiguous and assuming you are right without offering any counterpoints goes a long way into making you look like a fool.

[Noxifer]

Why wouldn't they? Everyone does it now. But go do a forum search on duty finder queue times, and tell me who came up with the idea of negating the language function to cut down queue times.

Wait... so it's alright if it's non-English people who tick all the boxes to shorten queue times, but it's not okay if English-only people do that? Because that was kind of your comment to that effect that I replied to.

[Kyros]

but its a dungeon, with simple mechanics.

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explaining these mechanics takes substantial time.

Lol, no? These are about as braindead easy as it gets. Here, step-by-step on what tank needs to do per turn:

A1) Voke the add (Or main boss, depending on the other tank). Take it to the other side.

A2) Grab adds, bring them together. Pop some buffs on Jagds.

A3) Pretend you're a DPS (Chances are the other tank knows whats up).
If not: Face Man away from group. Face Hand towards Group.

A4) If MT: Just Tank, maybe help grab balls. Pop a buff for Discoid in last Phase. If OT: Get ready to duo an add. Also help grab balls.

Oh look, took me about 10 secs per Turn, must be hardz.

[hagare]

Please elaborate. Because being completely ambiguous and assuming you are right without offering any counterpoints goes a long way into making you look like a fool.

from this:

OP was in the right to go blindly on the DF's.

to this:

Sure, let's go with that. Because that will in no way backfire or make them lose more time than spending the oh so dreadful 10 or so seconds it'll take to type out what to do.

PS: I'm using your original statement, not your edited one.

you're basically saying that it's okay to take 7 other people hostage because forcing people explaining something that you don't wanna learn by yourself for whatever reason is okay.
After all, you're a tank and it's "hard" finding a replacement *ego much*.

going in blind = fine
not explaining to newbies = fine
blaming either side for not fulfilling your own expectations = not fine

the only time I say going in blind in DF is fine, is the first 2 weeks of content launch.
or you're a fast learner, like real fast.

[Kolaina]

Lol, no? These are about as braindead easy as it gets. Here, step-by-step on what tank needs to do per turn:

A1) Voke the add (Or main boss, depending on the other tank). Take it to the other side.

A2) Grab adds, bring them together. Pop some buffs on Jagds.

A3) Pretend you're a DPS (Chances are the other tank knows whats up).
If not: Face Man away from group. Face Hand towards Group.

A4) If MT: Just Tank, maybe help grab balls. Pop a buff for Discoid in last Phase. If OT: Get ready to duo an add. Also help grab balls.

Oh look, took me about 10 secs per Turn, must be hardz.

theres more to it than your explanations. if yours held true he should never have wiped in the first place