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    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    what if they watch a video with the "wrong" strategy?
    Then they're missing the point of the video. The best way to watch or read a guide is to get acquainted with the mechanics and know what they do. If you're watching a video to execute a mechanic a certain way because "so and so told me so", then you're doing it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odett View Post
    Then they're missing the point of the video. The best way to watch or read a guide is to get acquainted with the mechanics and know what they do. If you're watching a video to execute a mechanic a certain way because "so and so told me so", then you're doing it wrong.
    Well... to take an example from t9... there were several methods of spreading out the rocks. Most videos displayed one method (though fairly enough usually said there were several methods, but 'this method' was the one the video poster found the easiest to learn), but if you watched the 'wrong' method for the group you ended up with, you wouldn't know what to do when that bit came up, and you'd not only get completely confused, you'd also screw over the 'experienced' people trying to do it their way. That doesn't mean the 'newcomer' did the preparations the wrong way.

    Different groups do things very differently. On A4 (have run it several times tonight to get a drop for a friend with bad RNG luck), I've had people marking out A/B/C with DPS people 'claiming' one letter. I've had people marking out A/B/C, then get impatient when I'm waiting to see if anyone's going to claim a spawn point before pulling. I've had people not do any marking at all. That's just a minor detail, which isn't really part of the 'strategy' itself, but it still shows a difference in method and approach.

    Either way, if you say you're new there and ask for any pointers, it's fair enough for the experienced people to not have to give said pointers. But if they don't, it's also not fair of them to bash the new person for not getting the mechanics. They said they were new (plus you get the 'one or more players hasn't completed this' message), and when you have someone new (who isn't an alt of an experienced player) you really shouldn't expect to down it on the first try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxifer View Post
    They said they were new (plus you get the 'one or more players hasn't completed this' message), and when you have someone new (who isn't an alt of an experienced player) you really shouldn't expect to down it on the first try.
    No one did.

    But rolling up with no idea whatsoever of what you should be doing, in endgame, (on a tank, no less,) and expecting everyone else to tell you is... lazy, at my most polite. And seemingly specific to the NA data centres?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxifer View Post
    Well... to take an example from t9... there were several methods of spreading out the rocks. Most videos displayed one method (though fairly enough usually said there were several methods, but 'this method' was the one the video poster found the easiest to learn), but if you watched the 'wrong' method for the group you ended up with, you wouldn't know what to do when that bit came up, and you'd not only get completely confused, you'd also screw over the 'experienced' people trying to do it their way. That doesn't mean the 'newcomer' did the preparations the wrong way.

    Different groups do things very differently. On A4 (have run it several times tonight to get a drop for a friend with bad RNG luck), I've had people marking out A/B/C with DPS people 'claiming' one letter. I've had people marking out A/B/C, then get impatient when I'm waiting to see if anyone's going to claim a spawn point before pulling. I've had people not do any marking at all. That's just a minor detail, which isn't really part of the 'strategy' itself, but it still shows a difference in method and approach.

    Either way, if you say you're new there and ask for any pointers, it's fair enough for the experienced people to not have to give said pointers. But if they don't, it's also not fair of them to bash the new person for not getting the mechanics. They said they were new (plus you get the 'one or more players hasn't completed this' message), and when you have someone new (who isn't an alt of an experienced player) you really shouldn't expect to down it on the first try.
    Right, but by watching the video (using your example), you learn that meteors cannot be placed any closer than roughly 10 yalms from each other (which is conveniently the distance of Cover) or they will explode. You also learn what "Stardust is", and what to do when you have a red or yellow mark above your head instead of running around frantically. Since you already know this, it's a lot easier to shift from the strategy you saw to a new one. Going in COMPLETELY blind makes players have to explain all of this to you before the group is ready to discuss strategy.
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