What does Heavensward actually bring to the table as an expansion?

[Astral145]

Well lets see:

• HW brought some new salad dressings to add with my new list of jobs to play.
• HW brought me this new Wisconsin cheese to add to my ever growing glamour list.
• HW brought me a jet pack that I can strap to the butt of my mounts so I don't have to get hit or have heavy poo slung on me by every mob from point A to Z.
• HW brought me this new universal remote so I can fast forward through old content faster when leveling jobs 1 to 50 and also get through the old relic quests faster. I will get that Zeta one of these days :P
• HW has an all you can eat buffet at the new and somewhat improved PVP arenas oh don't forget to try out the new drive though so you can buy the i100 - i110 pvp gear with no rank

Jokes aside HW has brought some brand new mechanics to the lvl 51 - 60 dungeons. I especially enjoyed the subs and last bosses in the lvl 51 - lvl 60 dungeons. the Vault is by far my fave. I can not wait to see what else they do.

[Remus]

For the 50-60 experience it brought quite a bit but currently their end-game is really lacking. I already have some of my friends and fc members tell me they are bored/leaving the game because there is nothing there. End-game is just reduced to expert roulette with 2 dungeons then Alexander savage if your doing it.

[Chambers]

I just wish there was more to the flying.

Like give me a reason to fly. Some sort of mini quests where I have to airdrop supplies to NPC troops/airdrop buffs to players? or put out fires or airlift rescue people and take them somewhere. or something more complex like taking a couple of friends out on one of those big Ishgard zeppelins and go on patrol and have to fight off dragons with Bertha cannons and Dragon Killers and maintain the ship while it's going (Guns of Icarus style). Or at the very least 2seater flying mounts? Just because.

Just feels like there's a lot of missed opportunities with the ability to fly now.

[Craiger]

I just wish there was more to the flying.

Like give me a reason to fly. Some sort of mini quests where I have to airdrop supplies to NPC troops/airdrop buffs to players? or put out fires or airlift rescue people and take them somewhere. or something more complex like taking a couple of friends out on one of those big Ishgard zeppelins and go on patrol and have to fight off dragons with Bertha cannons and Dragon Killers and maintain the ship while it's going (Guns of Icarus style). Or at the very least 2seater flying mounts? Just because.

Just feels like there's a lot of missed opportunities with the ability to fly now.

Yeah, I posted earlier about the new areas being used for endgame content, and this is why... Apart from flying to nodes, maps or whatever, you're not actually doing anything special in the areas. Because there isn't much to do in the areas outside of when you're leveling (even then, you're just waiting for fates or doing dungeons), flying mounts doesn't feel very cool.

When I first unlocked flying, I just explored everything and imagined all the cool things you could do now that everyone can fly... but it was short lived, because there are no such things.

It doesn't matter how big or beautiful they make the areas if there are no reason to be there once you're done leveling.

[Ashkendor]

For the 50-60 experience it brought quite a bit but currently their end-game is really lacking. I already have some of my friends and fc members tell me they are bored/leaving the game because there is nothing there. End-game is just reduced to expert roulette with 2 dungeons then Alexander savage if your doing it.

If you're billing Neverreap and Fractal as "endgame" you should also be including Bismarck and Ravana EX and Alexander Normal.

[Iromi]

If you're billing Neverreap and Fractal as "endgame" you should also be including Bismarck and Ravana EX and Alexander Normal.

Bismark was obsolete upon release, Ravana lasted a couple weeks, and Alexander Normal about the same. There is no relevant content. My friends have all left too. And their friends...and so forth. This time they aren't coming back either.

[Craiger]

If you're billing Neverreap and Fractal as "endgame" you should also be including Bismarck and Ravana EX and Alexander Normal.

Those are endgame too, but lets be real here, they don't have as much "pull" for you to keep doing them that long. Bismarck doesn't drop anything useful, and most players just farm it if you want a specific glamour. The weapons from Ravana can be useful, but even then, there is a limited amount of runs you do to get what you need.

Alexander Normal is relevant longer if you want to gear up a lot of jobs, but a lot of players just don't bother with it anymore... Like myself for example. I got what I need for my main after 5 weeks, and now I have gear for another job too if I want, but I don't see the point in doing that every week just to gear up more jobs.

It's the same for majority of players I think, and then it's just dungeons and Savage left pretty much.

[Ashkendor]

Those are endgame too, but lets be real here, they don't have as much "pull" for you to keep doing them that long. Bismarck doesn't drop anything useful, and most players just farm it if you want a specific glamour. The weapons from Ravana can be useful, but even then, there is a limited amount of runs you do to get what you need.

Alexander Normal is relevant longer if you want to gear up a lot of jobs, but a lot of players just don't bother with it anymore... Like myself for example. I got what I need for my main after 5 weeks, and now I have gear for another job too if I want, but I don't see the point in doing that every week just to gear up more jobs.

It's the same for majority of players I think, and then it's just dungeons and Savage left pretty much.

Yep, I agree a lot of the endgame content doesn't have much pull to keep you going back to it. I dunno what they were thinking with Bismarck Extreme basically being obsolete upon release. These days, I don't even do Expert Roulette unless I'm specifically asked to. I get my Esoterics from Alexander Normal and PvP. Last night my raid static spent a few hours selling some Ravana Extreme, which was a cool way to pass the time. Get some money, get some free Hive tokens, get some FFA drops; it all works out.

At this point in the game, I've been doing a lot of crafting and gathering as well as leveling up alt classes. I'm willing to give kind of a pass for the endgame content for the time being because I understand we haven't even seen the first major patch of the expansion and a lot of development time for the expac itself had to go into the leveling dungeons, the story, the skills, the maps, the additional content for DoH/DoL etc. Most of the people complaining about a lack of content seem to focus on one aspect of the game and ignore the rest of it, and are mostly complaining that there's no content specifically for their niche. I dunno. I just get tired of people saying that all we have is 2 dungeons and 1 raid, which isn't true at all. Hopefully 3.1 brings some fun stuff. ^^

[Fendred]

Bismark was obsolete upon release, Ravana lasted a couple weeks, and Alexander Normal about the same. There is no relevant content. My friends have all left too. And their friends...and so forth. This time they aren't coming back either.

I'm starting to think they'll need to do another Realm Reborn to really address the problems they are having with end game. It's hard to put into words, but it feels like the game needs side grades to avoid there being a single best set that trumps everything. Right now the only thing that matters is how fast we kill stuff, which is roughly determined by ilvl.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I'm starting to think they'll need to do another Realm Reborn to really address the problems they are having with end game. It's hard to put into words, but it feels like the game needs side grades to avoid there being a single best set that trumps everything. Right now the only thing that matters is how fast we kill stuff, which is roughly determined by ilvl.

That would be the case even with side grades though. You don't need super awesome dps to get through dungeons, but everyone acts like if it takes longer than 20 mins its a waste of time.