Sorry, but no tank should pure vit stack right side.

[Andy22]

Actually, it is. Flash scales off of attack power, and attack power=STR. Having STR accessories does increase your flash potency by quite a bit, something along the lines of about 27% for full STR setup.

Thx for the info, how you calculated/tested the 27% higher "flash potential" and can you link your sources/data plz?

The only source i could find was https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...flash_testing/ are there any newer tests that have data? The data from this thread suggest a very strange str to enmity relation for flash, that directly conflicts with a simple linear scaling behavior. It looks like there is a str platou at 250 str that is reached by any lvl30+ tank and after this there is a extremely diminishing effect. The data stopped at 300 str, which is not even half of what lvl60 VIT only tanks seem to have. So it might even be possible that the diminishing effect ends up at 0 enmity per str, at 500+ str.

[Pooky_Pasha]

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That research is over two years old. It is well out of date and not correct. This is better and more recent: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...modifier_info/

As for the 27%, it's pretty simple. As far as I know, everything in this game is linear. That means, STR, damage, and enmity scale at the exact same rate. If we increase STR by 27%, damage and enmity are also increased by 27% (all three are connected).

So...I have 950 total STR outside of party. This includes full STR accessories and 35 bonus points into STR. My accessories total 203 STR.
950-203=747 <----This would be my STR if I used all VIT accessories.
(203/747)x100%=27.17% So by going full STR accessories, I gain 27.17% damage and enmity over going full VIT accessories.

Which only means you will need it if you need to use flash frequently.
I never was in a position where I needed more then flash as every 4th skill (and this only to gain TP). And yep I am full VIT.

Actually, it means you will not need to flash as often since flash will "hit harder." 5 Flashes (full VIT) = 3.93 Flashes (full STR) (so 4 Flashes + a little extra)

[Lantia]

Actually, it means you will not need to flash as often since flash will "hit harder." 5 Flashes (full VIT) = 3.93 Flashes (full STR) (so 4 Flashes + a little extra)

Well I know what 27% increase means without you compare the digits themself. Thanks
But it is just stupid to drop just because of this VIT. I do not say STR is no good. I am just saying: There was never a situation I needed to use it. Maybe I am really one of the few tanks who are using flash within the rota?
My Job is to take aggro and help healer to support the group and myself. I am doing it better if I will survive 30secs longer then shorting the fight for 30secs. Cause wipe means wipe. STR is not helping here. VIT could help as healer could focus on other members as well.

And lets be honest: When did you ever wipe because Tank was not doing more dmg? I guess it was always: Tank was dead.

[Andy22]

That research is over two years old. It is well out of date and not correct. This is better and more recent: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...modifier_info/

Thx for the link, but i cant find any data/tests related to how flash scales with str? I understand that enmity scales with damage, but we where talking about flash which deals no damage.

So you base your assumption on the fact that str increases damage in a linear way and its logical that it should also increase flash linear. The problem i have with this, is that this was also the case for the old damage testcase and yet flash did not scale linear with str in the tests done. So there seems to-be no real data on this actually?

[ArdorGrey]

Thx for the link, but i cant find any data/tests related to how flash scales with str? I understand that enmity scales with damage, but we where talking about flash which deals no damage.

So you base your assumption on the fact that str increases damage in a linear way and its logical that it should also increase flash linear. The problem i have with this, is that this was also the case for the old damage testcase and yet flash did not scale linear with str in the tests done. So there seems to-be no real data on this actually?

It listed the potency, potency is based on your attack power and strength, as indicated at the top of the informative post by the brief "damage=enmity".

more info from the very first link I googled: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ty_potency_of/

I don't understand why you're making this such a point of contention, but if this information doesn't satisfy you I encourage you to do your own testing and post the ressults.

[Andy22]

It listed the potency, potency is based on your attack power and strength, as indicated at the top of the informative post by the brief "damage=enmity".

more info from the very first link I googled: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ty_potency_of/

I don't understand why you're making this such a point of contention, but if this information doesn't satisfy you I encourage you to do your own testing and post the ressults.

I simply wanted to understand if the assumption posted was in fact based on real testing or just a extrapolation of common knowledge, so i can assess if i rather test this myself or not. So as it turns out the old test seems tobe the only one done for this case, which contradicts the common str/dmg linear scaling. So yes if i really want to know how flash scales with str i need to test this myself it seems.

[ArdorGrey]

I simply wanted to understand if the assumption posted was in fact based on real testing or just a extrapolation of common knowledge, so i can assess if i rather test this myself or not. So as it turns out the old test seems tobe the only one done for this case, which contradicts the common str/dmg linear scaling. So yes if i really want to know how flash scales with str i need to test this myself it seems.

Good luck with the tests, let us know how it goes! I might try to get around the checking it out on my own some time. The easiest way would be to grab a pld buddy with identical gear, have one person gear str and the other vit and have a flash-off. make sure substats are the same though, even though it seems like crit doesn't affect it.

[Kerwin]

Good luck with the tests, let us know how it goes! I might try to get around the checking it out on my own some time. The easiest way would be to grab a pld buddy with identical gear, have one person gear str and the other vit and have a flash-off. make sure substats are the same though, even though it seems like crit doesn't affect it.

Then in this case the PLD who wears Piety accessories would win because he would have more mana.

lol what a stupid comparison. A flash off.... Just wow.

[FallenWings]

... So there seems to-be no real data on this actually?

Real data is available to you in game. Get one of your chums into a party(Preferably a BRD/MCH with WM/GB respectively or a BLM) and have them cast one GCD weapon skill on a striking dummy and disregard critical hits and reset the dummy if they occur. Remove all equipped accessories or equip full fending accessories, and use Flash on the dummy once. Note the difference in enmity generated underneath your job icons in the party list. Reset dummy and redo the test once more but have full slaying accessories equipped. Note the difference in enmity generated again.

Assuming that there is still a notable difference, we can safely assume that Flash does a hidden potency that does infact scale with STR.

... And I guess in regard to topic: As any DPS will tell you...

ENOUGH IS NEVER ENOUGH.

Aggro generation is not a problem even for VIT tanks. It's mostly that it also could mean inoptimal damage output for PLD/DRK due to having to rotate more RoH/PowaSlash.

I mean... If a tank is having problems with aggro at this point in the game... Making him relatively harder to heal isn't going to make things any more smoother either. ONE PROBLEM AFTER ANOTHER! MRRRRRGRGHRGHRHgl;tjkufy;c tkdj