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    ArdorGrey's Avatar
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    Sorry, but no tank should pure vit stack right side.

    It's cool if you guys like the meat wall fantasy but too much vit is not only excessive, it also hurts your aggro gen. Dps shouldn't have to throttle dps just so you can keep your training wheels on.

    I'm not saying everyone has to load up on pure str or pure melded, but pure vit is the worst kind of overkill.
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    I value your opinion as a person.

    Have a great day
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    Last edited by LeeraSorlan; 09-11-2015 at 05:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan View Post
    I value your opinion as a person.

    Have a great day
    this pretty much covers my opinion except
    what are you smoking/
    can i have some?
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    Tihomir Avesna
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdorGrey View Post
    It's cool if you guys like the meat wall fantasy but too much vit is not only excessive, it also hurts your aggro gen. Dps shouldn't have to throttle dps just so you can keep your training wheels on.

    I'm not saying everyone has to load up on pure str or pure melded, but pure vit is the worst kind of overkill.
    PLD Lv 50 for example has not only an aggro combo but also an aggro aoe and a huge dmg attack oGCD.
    While leveling to 60 he even gots more actions to hold the aggro (a double heal for example and one more dot).

    As you are a marodeur: Use Flashlight a bit more
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdorGrey View Post
    Dps shouldn't have to throttle dps just so you can keep your training wheels on.
    Can you give a specific situation/lvl where this happens?

    I assume thats some lvl60 raid only problem, since i never encountered this problem so far. I can see the enmity bars and it seems impossible for a dps to draw aggro if i'm in tank stance and do the usual rotation, this seem logical given the enmity math involved. The only time i loose aggro is for a pack, where i had not enough time to flash multiple times or i run out of MP, but flash enmity generation is not tied to str, so there is no benefit.

    So instead of generalizing, you should stick to the facts and be more specific with your request like: "Sorry, but no tank should pure vit stack right side. In lvl 60 endgame"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy22 View Post
    ...but flash enmity generation is not tied to str, so there is no benefit.
    Actually, it is. Flash scales off of attack power, and attack power=STR. Having STR accessories does increase your flash potency by quite a bit, something along the lines of about 27% for full STR setup.

    Anyway, why another thread on this topic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooky_Pasha View Post
    Actually, it is. Flash scales off of attack power, and attack power=STR. Having STR accessories does increase your flash potency by quite a bit, something along the lines of about 27% for full STR setup.

    Anyway, why another thread on this topic?
    Which only means you will need it if you need to use flash frequently.
    I never was in a position where I needed more then flash as every 4th skill (and this only to gain TP). And yep I am full VIT.
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    Last edited by Lantia; 09-11-2015 at 06:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lantia View Post
    Which only means you will need it if you need to use flash frequently.
    I never was in a position where I needed more then flash as every 4th skill (and this only to gain TP). And yep I am full VIT.
    If the dps can't pull threat off a vit tank, then it's less about you being good and more about them being bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galgarion View Post
    If the dps can't pull threat off a vit tank, then it's less about you being good and more about them being bad.
    I also never said I am good or bad I just said I was never in a position where I need to do more DMG for aggro or flashlight.

    Which brings this topic back to: Why use STR if 80%* of DPS are not doing enough DMG to take aggro?
    Even with full str tank will never be as much DPS as a DPS can which is maybe decereasing the dungeon time to 2-5 mins.
    If DPS are not good enough be ready that they will die and if they die you should have more VIT to allow healer to ress them even without instant ress.

    This is also the reason why I use my def skills as DPS to help healer to focus on player which are sleeping.

    *This number is a personal value of personal experience
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    Anna Dovetail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galgarion View Post
    If the dps can't pull threat off a vit tank, then it's less about you being good and more about them being bad.
    DPS can rarely if ever pull off me when I am in VIT gear. I would argue it's more of a bad tank.
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