We should ally with the Garleans

[hagare]

If they're true to their incarnation in 3, they won't be evil. Antagonists yes, but not evil.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Warriors_of_Darkness

I won't count on it.
I mean I want them to just be antagonists, but seeing as how they're working for the ascian. eeeh :v
though if they're like the ones in FF3, we have a reason to go to the underworld!

[Nestama]

Technically just Elidibus, who I think is neutral or something...

But there's one thing in the story that has bothered me so far

If I remember right there was a scene where Alphinaud tells you that he doesn't want the word out that citizens of Eorzea can summon primals into themselves, because then the Empire would see the whole of Eorzea as something that needs to be glassed. Then Shiva does her Shiva thing right in front of the Imperial warship... And nobody on board the Enterprise seemed to notice or take that fact into account. I'm not even sure the garleans cared. Like, everyone is going to pretend like that didn't just happen? I'm not crazy right? That conversation happened? Shouldn't we be concerned? No? Okay.

Well Garleans already treat people who have the Echo as if they were Beastmen, so it's not really changing anything aside from making them go, "of course they can do that" and then having more of a reason to see us as Beastmen.

[Felis]

What I don't understand is if he is supposed to be Hydaelans ally then why during 2.0-3.0 does he willfully cut off our link to Hydaelan knowing that we are chosen to be her chamoion? Surely a wise and noble dragon such as midgarsomr would realize we as a child of man are not simply wicked because of what are ancestors did. If he can't realize that I don't see why anyone would think he is wise.

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in the geman version he did it to test you. To see if you are strong enough to remove the seals yourself.

[Daralii]

Technically just Elidibus, who I think is neutral or something...

Not necessarily neutral, but not like the others to be sure. The other Ascians we've fought have been absolutely insane and hellbent on the idea of Zodiark destroying or eclipsing Hydaelyn, but Elidibus wants balance for some reason we don't know.

Unfortunately, that balance seemingly involves the WoLs dying.

[Eidolon]

I love how some posters referenced the 'innocent fairy' as if that was an arguement for why we shouldn't ally with the garleans.


How many innocents do you think the Warrior of Light has killed? How many people has he wanton slaughtered? We fought the Shield Hero to the death, who fought believing in the ideals. We fought the Tsundere, who died for what she loved and never wanting to lose it again. We fought the man who even offered us his hand - because we were hell bent on 'protecting eorzea.'

Seriously. I loved the characters of Garlemald. Do I think they're perfect? No. But neither is every citizen of Eorzea.

Limsa basically goes out of its way to **** every beastman it can, while whining like hypocrites about being attacked.
Ul'dah has the Sultanate. 'nuff said, 'kill 'em all.
Gridania ... actually, Idon't know if they really do anything wrong. They're pretty cool in my book, but they seem a bit hell-bent on these traditions and trees. >.> I'm not sure if I've ever seen anything bad about them outside of a mild xenophobia. (Would love to be corrected on this!)

No one in this war is the good guy.
We just want to believe that our side is the correct side.

I don't believe it's wrong to want to conquer. To unify the lands. At the same time I don't think it's wrong to resist and fight for your liberty. It's a fight - it's a war. Choose your side and stick to it.

Just wish we had a choice.

[Nestama]

Not necessarily neutral, but not like the others to be sure. The other Ascians we've fought have been absolutely insane and hellbent on the idea of Zodiark destroying or eclipsing Hydaelyn, but Elidibus wants balance for some reason we don't know.

Unfortunately, that balance seemingly involves the WoLs dying.

Or... we unlock the true powers of the Echo. From what I recall from 2.1, Elidibus said that if we knew how to handle the true power of the Echo, we'd probably be more buddy-buddy with the Ascians.

[hagare]

I love how some posters referenced the 'innocent fairy' as if that was an arguement for why we shouldn't ally with the garleans.

How many innocents do you think the Warrior of Light has killed? How many people has he wanton slaughtered? We fought the Shield Hero to the death, who fought believing in the ideals. We fought the Tsundere, who died for what she loved and never wanting to lose it again. We fought the man who even offered us his hand - because we were hell bent on 'protecting eorzea.'

Ok, shield hero I know, tsundere might be who I'm thinking about, but the one who offered us his hand? Who is that again?

Shield hero + tsundere = both done in defense against an invasion.

In regards to the war, it's pretty black and white
actually.

One wants to conquer and kill all who resists, while the other one is defending itself.
You also know what'll happen if the invader wins.
Or are you saying genocide is good?

You would be pretty blinded to say that the empire is the good guy here.

But then again "I loved the characters of Garlemald. "

Not necessarily neutral, but not like the others to be sure. The other Ascians we've fought have been absolutely insane and hellbent on the idea of Zodiark destroying or eclipsing Hydaelyn, but Elidibus wants balance for some reason we don't know.

Unfortunately, that balance seemingly involves the WoLs dying.

It's the quiet ones that you should watch out for.

[Eidolon]

You would be pretty blinded to say that the empire is the good guy here.

But then again "I loved the characters of Garlemald. "

Aye, but I don't think either of them are objectively /bad/ as people. They're just on the other side of the glass.

I think the issue is, Conquerer = Bad guy in your book. As others have stated, many people join with the garleans out of their own will, and have a good life for it.

As stated, I don't think either side is 'bad' in this. I think both are equally bad. But I do think that Garlemald is a conquerer, and thus is 'more bad' to the public eye. But the city states of Eorzea are no better in my book.

I'd rather join a conquerer with the intent to right the world through force than fight for the liberties of people who wrong others under the guise of justice.

[Dererk]

I don't believe it's wrong to want to conquer. To unify the lands. At the same time I don't think it's wrong to resist and fight for your liberty. It's a fight - it's a war. Choose your side and stick to it.

Just wish we had a choice.

We didn't ask for this war we didn't ask to be concurred we don't have any ambition to expand our boarders. No one ever asks this sure maybe if that one shielded guy if his nation was as messed up as he said sure maybe they'd benefit from being part of them.

But ours aren't messed up sure they have problems like every other but wer no where near tearing our selves apart. Also don't for get yes Ul dah has problems but those wer only intensified because Garmald placed an agent of theirs there to intensify their problems to make it easier to concur Ul dah they did the same thing with Al mahigo they sent an agent in made the bad situations worse so they'd have an esuer time to just walk in and take it all.

[astrobearis]

LOL @ all the people going "the empire isn't evil, just misunderstood!"

...i mean dropiing a moon onto a contient, razing an entire civilizations to the ground, wants to kill members of a race(s) to sort of prevent the "eikon" from coming back (EVEN THOUGH ALL THIS PRIMAL MESS WAS STARTED BY THEIR INVASION OF MOR DHONA), brainwash children, kill the "useless" people of a subjugated country and use everyone else as slaves, or hell even sex slaves, for whatever mess up objectives they have, constantly want to keep invading other countries to repeat the atrocities said above isn't "evil" at all!

i know this a video game, and the people defending such action,"isn't their real life vies", but i honestly am horrifed that there are some people on this forum that would even tries to whitewash this shit.you in Swtor, a game where you can be a empire player, all the people in that faction outright admits that there side is evil. there is not "well we are the bad guys here!" nah the sith empire and all its warriors are honestly upfront about their crimes, it is just they don't care, or justify as revenge for what happen at korriban long ago.

look if you want to join a evil faction, stop lying to yourself and just said so, it really funny to see all the pro-imperial trying their hardest to downplay all the horrible and ongoing deeds.