Why keep DF off of new content?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

This is my take on it:

Content like extreme primals and Alexander savage are designed to stomp on your face, leave no room for error, and punish groups that are not properly geared. These kinds of battles take lots and lots of time for probably most people and can't be easily cleared in a single DF session or two. The fights are big trial and error and lots of practice. I think Square wants people to form their own groups and learn together so that not only they can do better in the content, but they can learn from each other and be in sync after lots of runs. DF is a one and done deal for most content and are designed to be run over and over again for certain grinds (tomestones, leveling, etc).


Let's say that you COULD do Alexander savage in the DF and your first group is doing ok, but not good enough to actually clear it. You move onto a new group of players matched up with you and they're horrible at the execution because half of them are brand new to the fight and will take a long time to learn from the mechanics. You'd keep going through multiple groups over and over again, hoping that the next 7 people you meet will all click with each other.

Sad to say, but if your RL schedule and duties are that hectic for you, then raiding may not be suited for you.

[hagare]

They aren't raiders then. Being a raider implies actually being in a raid group, and duty finder is the exact opposite of that.

and said raid group is a static?
so those in raid DFs are not called raider?
so only those who use party finder can be called raiders?
I thought raiders are what you call those who do raids. How and who you do it with doesn't matter.

This really isn't even a big deal since party finder exists, make a practice group and do it.

again with this, did you read the previous posts?

difficulty angle etc etc
Sad to say, but if your RL schedule and duties are that hectic for you, then raiding may not be suited for you.

again, difficulty should not be a factor of consideration for putting content in DF.
DF can be used for practicing your roles in said content, just like a PF practice party.
but with a larger pool of players to do it with.

Sad to say, but if your RL schedule and duties are that hectic for you, then raiding may not be suited for you.

which is why we need DF, a larger pool of players to choose from will most likely ensure there are players playing at the same time with you.

[Arashmin]

@Miles: I'm actually very much fine with this. It's what PF already can be for many people, based on what others have said. I'd willingly keep giving it a shot, especially because the alternative is... well, pretty much nothing.

Maxed gather/craft already, red scrips by Thursday evening; Cleared BisEX, RavEX is next on my list but has same issues and also no reward since Eso is out; Or do outdated content. Otherwise it's Exp, Trial, PvP, Map, then hope there's people to chat, or subject myself to unfun grinding of alt classes I'll never use. F2P games offer more at this point.

A big part of my issues with this could be resolved if the content outside of raiding right now was actually worth doing and to keep doing past a certain point. I don't even do AN because it became old hat 3 weeks after its arrival; if they hadn't killed the gear so quickly there I might actually have something to keep me sated until I can either make the time or until they add it to DF in 3.X

[Zeonx]

I agree the extreme fights should of been added to the DF.

I think it would be bad if they kept going into this direction, bungie did with destiny and I stopped playing that game because it wasn't on the list to search for people instead use website to build your party.

That to me is where I decided to bounce.

If more stuff ends up build your own party that's where I call it, because I don't want people to control the run I have no faith in elites.

[Arashmin]

I found that to be the exact issue with TSW at the high-end as well; there was effectively no party forming tools whatsoever and so it was up to people to form there own, and it was actively discouraged to do it in the forums. And then to do it in the game would take literal hours just to get 10 people together for one raid, and would likely fall apart at the first wipe; Meanwhile farm groups are chatting it up like it's everyday business with no issues apparent to them, because it doesn't affect how they play.

I'm fine with that being the case for DF because I can just requeue. I'm not fine with it in PF because it's a huge time tax. And at least there you could draw from the entire populace of the game instead of a small subset of a small subset.

[Zeonx]

Let me dive into this more.

Ive been in a party where mostly the tank dies and accuses DPS then ends up kicking one of them but then I rejoin another party and win.

I don't like to join PF party's because of this factor, you have a guy who makes the PF its never his fault if they lose its always someone else and who ever he chooses regardless if they are good or not or lacking gets the kick and why would I want someone to control that even if I make a PF which I have no desire to do because of that I am locked out.

I don't want to join one either because of my reasons, like I said its always someone else fault never their own, I have been in a party where the guy kicks the person then we still lose and then he points a finger at another then we vote dismiss because its plain as day.

Why I don't like PF I stick to duty finder, even if we get someone who leaves least he ain't controlling the whole thing.

[CGMidlander]

A lot of DF parties can work. But very very often you end up with a deadweight that needs to be kicked for any hope of success for the rest of the party. However, if a person is kicked, multiple people often see it as a free ticket out of the party without penalty, and leave along with the kicked person. The party crumbles.

People on DF are often bad at recognizing whether or not a party can be made to work. That's why raiding on DF can be quite frustrating.
Kick a dead weight off the ship, and the rest of the party decides to go diving >.>

[Kathyz]

I dont understand why most people say something like "because its almost imposible make it in DF" i mean, if these instance are in DF and you dont like to do it in DF just do a PF.

[ValkyrieL]

Want hard stuff just for fun, no gear.....Ya doubt it
Add Alexander savage on df with no gear drops and I bet hardly anyone will queued or get pass Faust.

[Divine_Intervention]

If the players don't want to put any effort to even create a premade party then they don't deserve to challenge these content. you can't learn or practice anything with DF group that will be disbanded in 5 minutes. it a waste of server resources too.

What a douchenozzle of an opinion.
Just because you like / can static up/premade party up, doesn't mean everyone can , or even wants to. Personally, some of the best runs i've had of anything in game were just random dfs late at night when i was bored lol.

And you can definitely learn with DF. It's how many, myself included, learned things. Go in with the attitude of "probably won't manage much", and anything you do manage is a great bonus.