The Future of Crafting

[Commat]

I figure a better system would be if the crap we grind on all day actually sold. Materia is SE's first stab at that kind of system and I think its worth trying over the OPs suggestion. Not that the OP is awful, I just think other options are better right now.

Off topic: It would be neat if NPCs would resell the stuff we vender to them for the same price. Would make me feel better about all the ore and pelts I've been to lazy to retainer up. Plus I think people would get a kick out of walking up to an NPC with new stuff on it all the time for cheep.

[Arcell]

I've never thought leve rewards give too much gil, certainly not crafting ones... Back in the day you could get 40k-80k from ONE battlecraft leve. Rank 40+ crafting leves seem to average around 4-5k, seems reasonable to me.

And you can't do that anymore either way. Most I've seen recently from battle is about 12k, you could probably bump it up to around 16k if you exchanged the right leves.

I figure a better system would be if the crap we grind on all day actually sold. Materia is SE's first stab at that kind of system and I think its worth trying over the OPs suggestion. Not that the OP is awful, I just think other options are better right now.

Well I like to think of it this way:

Ideally each adventurer out there playing will be simultaneously wearing down at least 6 pieces of gear to convert into materia. In addition to that, instead of re-selling or handing gear down to others they are more likely to convert it into materia to slot into their next set of gear. I imagine this will be happening with all players at all ranges. This leads to a great need of gear for all ranks and classes which means it will sell more often. Also consider the dye changes, no longer will you need to attempt to sell a piece of gear hoping the color is what people want.

[User201109011315]

i cant believe im gonna agree with the above troll

why are you always trolling all over the forums?

Like i said your trolling.

troll or not,

Surely to call another a troll, without any cause for doing so, reflects most poorly on one's own character than on the troll in question.

[AreeyaJaidee]

There is no problem with being opinionated but you don't need to be a overly sardonic to do so.

To all those who said this is the "stupidest idea on the forums" you have ever seen:

Please list all the stupid ideas you've seen on the forums so that everyone can determine the truth of your ridiculous accusation. Otherwise stop trolling my thread.

These forums don't need your ridiculous player bashing in order to have a point proven. Quit with the unneeded "you're so stupid for thinking this or that" type caveman smash 'em mentality. When critiquing someone try to at least sound educated and respectable instead of ruining your persona with the jibberish you graffiti on other peoples threads.

To Gifthorse (That's what everyone on the forums is calling you at least):

The purpose of the thread was to encourage brainstorming about abolishing the useless and massive waste of mats for the purpose of Craft leveling.

Whatever ideas are brought up are all as welcomed as any others. I fully realize we as players have only so much pull in the judicial process of SE's FFXIV development. Most of these brainstorming threads are only yet another method of passing time.

The raw truth is that FFXIV Crafting DOES need to be revised and it's current basic mechanics built upon not to a point of over complication but rather more efficiency and productivity.

Crafting, just like EVERY aspect of FFXIV has a future.

Have fun in Eorzea peeps and take care

[Xenor]

Crafting leves already are the primary method of ranking up crafts. I've took my BSM from 39.5 to 49.5 by doing just leves and a few quests since 1.18 and I've missed a few leve cycles. In that time I took my ARM from 36 to 41 using the remaining leves that my BSM wasn't taking. That is fast and that is free SP. People just want, want, want until eventually the synth window has a rank up button.

I am grinding ARM now because I want it to be 50 in time for 1.19 however there is no reason to ever grind a craft these days with such good leve rewards.

The only change that needs making is the distribution of leves. There's way too many rank 1s and rank 5s that are completely useless and not enough 40, 45 and 50s.

[Rizon]

I have done practicaully all my craft leveling through the Levee Quest system and have done so since the Sept release. While the current system is more then sufficient for leveling the biggest problem that I see with this proposal is the imbalance in the number of available meaningful quest for a particular level group. Example when my Armour made level 39 the rank 35 quest yeilded so little in return that it became a waste of time to do them. Conversly I was stuck doing the same 4 synth level 40 quest until I reached level 40. This took me almost 3.5 weeks to do. For tose of you who say I should go to all 3 cities please be advised that I did and only Limsa had a quest. This problem is prevelent through all classes and all levels. If your idea is to be implemented then a major rebalancing needs to occur.
I am unsure of what skills could be added for Guild Mark purchases that would be beneficial to crafters. Guild Mark could be better spent in purchasing basic materials, i.e. Dark Matter, that are not available through gathering.
With the upcoming revisions to recipies the amount of Mats that you will need will be greatly reduced. Levee rewards can be adjusted to reflect these new requirements
As for making Gil we will need to wait till the changes are completed. Gil rewards for levee quests have been reduced, which I agree with. We should be able to make our Gil from selling our own creations. At the moment that is impossible. Hopefully that will change with the new recipies and the final overhaul of the Market Ward system. And no. I am not advocating an AH.

For those who are interested my crafting classes are 48Bsm, 40Arm, 35 Wvr and Gsm, 32Lth and 30 Alc

[Shneibel]

Surely to call another a troll, without any cause for doing so, reflects most poorly on one's own character than on the troll in question.

and why do you post this thread to start a fight ?, if it is your opinion, then it doesnt matter what ppl call you right ?

[User201109011315]

and why do you post this thread to start a fight ?, if it is your opinion, then it doesnt matter what ppl call you right ?

Yes, I'm the bad one. Everyone else is perfect.

[Estellios]

The leve updates sound like leveling crafts will be a lot nicer since you can focus all your leves on it, and they will reset once you complete or fail a leve so you should be able to get that one high level leve you need =)

"Gifthorse": You're not all that bad, guy, most of the posts of yours I've seen haven't been that bad, some insightful, even. Maybe I haven't read the right ones!

[Ferth]

I figure as long as you are making valid, well thought out arguments you aren't trolling... Dragonlord seems to be more the troll in this instance, but that's just speaking from the interaction I've seen in this thread.

Of course on any forum you encounter people who view every differing opinion as a personal attack on themselves... Can't do much but ignore it.