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    Quote Originally Posted by Rbstr View Post
    I haven't seen a reason why fending should be mandated. .
    Because we are tanks? Same reason any other piece of fending gear is mandated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantetsuken View Post
    Newer players to MMO games will likely draw from their experiences playing FPS games, GTA, Dragon Age, Skyrim, etc.. and they will evaluate a MMO based on that criteria. But other online games (and offline RPGs) are designed to be picked up, played for maybe 5 months and then abandoned for when the next big game comes along. A Veteran MMO gamer knows that the experience of the game is stretched out over years, and if crafted properly, it leaves players with some of the best gaming experiences to be found anywhere.
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    This is the problem most content is solo and you get your group action from a cross-server queueing tool. This is not like older MMOs where servers developed real communities. It's more like MacDonald's Drive-Thru, where you queue up, do your run, then never meet those people again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    Because we are tanks? Same reason any other piece of fending gear is mandated?
    So, because we're tanks, we should be FORCED to take lower strength gear over moderate strength gear? I'd hate to be in your raid group...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralvenom View Post
    So, because we're tanks, we should be FORCED to take lower strength gear over moderate strength gear? I'd hate to be in your raid group...
    Why are mages forced to use casting accessories, healers forced to use healing, melee dps forced to use slaying. The idea that a tank should want to gear in tank stats is not an idea born of lunacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    Because we are tanks? Same reason any other piece of fending gear is mandated?
    Fending left-side is defined by the defense it gives compared to others (and the availability of parry as a secondary sometimes, I guess...). The stats are otherwise identical to any other melee gear.
    There's a reason for that defense: So attacks don't threaten tanks as much as they do the squishies. It enforces the idea you need a tank.

    That part is taken care of...so why do we need to bother with the accessories and eliminate one of the only places you really have agency in a job "build"?
    If you add a meaningful amount of defense to the fending accs you open all sorts of worm-cans. You have to rebalance boss damage to make the defense desirable plus you have the availability of large amounts of defense to whatever class unless you restrict accessories by job.
    It's not like they're going to forget to balance around the now tankier tanks. High-end raiding will be the same level of difficult.

    Alternatively you could just make Fending the best of both worlds and give it vit and str. Or just Str and balance fights against that.
    But that's just kind of boring.
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    Last edited by Rbstr; 08-27-2015 at 05:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    Because we are tanks? Same reason any other piece of fending gear is mandated?
    Ugh... Rbstr is saying that they have not seen any reason for fending to be mandated. That's a perfect present tense. And I agree with him/her there. There has not been a reason to mandate fending gear as the only option for tanks. Logic would dictate so, but as a fact, it isn't so.

    I do not have much to add to what has been already said in this topic. But I'll repeat the gist of it: You don't need fending accessories. STR accessories are a better option. Pentamelds are the best option currently available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicia View Post
    STR accessories are a better option. Pentamelds are the best option currently available.

    This is the whole point of the thread. This SHOULD NOT be the case. The fending jewelry is supposed to be ideal for tanks. It is not. They need to fix this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantetsuken View Post
    Newer players to MMO games will likely draw from their experiences playing FPS games, GTA, Dragon Age, Skyrim, etc.. and they will evaluate a MMO based on that criteria. But other online games (and offline RPGs) are designed to be picked up, played for maybe 5 months and then abandoned for when the next big game comes along. A Veteran MMO gamer knows that the experience of the game is stretched out over years, and if crafted properly, it leaves players with some of the best gaming experiences to be found anywhere.
    Quote Originally Posted by kazeandi View Post
    This is the problem most content is solo and you get your group action from a cross-server queueing tool. This is not like older MMOs where servers developed real communities. It's more like MacDonald's Drive-Thru, where you queue up, do your run, then never meet those people again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    This is the whole point of the thread. This SHOULD NOT be the case. The fending jewelry is supposed to be ideal for tanks. It is not. They need to fix this.
    It is the BEST option for a vitality build. Some of us prefer to have more strength though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralvenom View Post
    It is the BEST option for a vitality build. Some of us prefer to have more strength though.
    That's like saying casting accessories are the best option for an int build on a monk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorumi View Post
    That's like saying casting accessories are the best option for an int build on a monk.
    Not really. It's more an acknowledgement of the fact that people gravitate towards certain things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralvenom View Post
    Not really. It's more an acknowledgement of the fact that people gravitate towards certain things.
    Your response to someone saying it's bad that tanks don't use tank gear is to say vit get is the best for stacking a useless stat. So it's just like saying casting accessories are great for an int build on monk. Hey some people just gravitate toward strength, no idea why casting is great for that int build.
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