What does everyone think about those AST buffs?

[Khyan]

I'd recommend putting the same on your SCH that you have with AST as that'll make the ilvls the same. Always test like for like if you want to prove something or the test is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Also I would recommend you state any MND difference between the two jobs as Eudyptes has stated a 12 MND difference in her test and it would probably be prudent for you to do the same.

I'm not trying to take sides in this, just trying to find truth and would appreciate any assistance as I can't actually play the game at this time.

Actually, ast ilvl is lower than my scholar ilvl. If the scholar ilvl was the same, it will be even more weaker...

AST MND = 928
SCH MND = 938

I just prove AST normal shield is better.

[Ghishlain]

Actually, ast ilvl is lower than my scholar ilvl. If the scholar ilvl was the same, it will be even more weaker...

Yeah, I typed that poorly.

I imagine your AST gear set is Gordian / Law gear. I'd recommend putting that on your SCH and redoing the test to equalize the ilvls. Try to equalize the MND too just for a perfectly equal test.

I just prove AST normal shield is better.

We're talking eHP / total potency here, not total shielding. It's a small but important semantic to the discussion.

Based on your post:

AST shield with hive weapon and no eso stuffs (ilvl 183) = 1825 + 30% = ~2372
SCH simple adlo shield with hive weapon and a few eso stuffs (ilvl 186) = ~2145

AST @ i183 has a total eHP of 4197
SCH @ i186 has a total eHP of 4290

[Khyan]

Yeah, I typed that poorly.

I imagine your AST gear set is Gordian / Law gear. I'd recommend putting that on your SCH and redoing the test to equalize the ilvls. Try to equalize the MND too just for a perfectly equal test.

AST MND = 928
SCH MND = 938


SCH still have better ilvl. SCH have better stats and still have the weakest non-crit shield. My conclusion is, AST shield is better than adlo without crit.

[Ghishlain]

AST MND = 928
SCH MND = 938

DET is almost identical.

SCH still have better ilvl. SCH have better stats and still have the weakest non-crit shield.

Again, we're not talking about only the shield aspect of the math. We're talking about the entire potency of both spells. The shield is only one aspect of two similar spells.

[Niroken]

Maybe WHM will get its Stoneskin Trait back that we lost when AST came around and a better one to replace our Protect trait. That would be nice.

[Momo-Quint]

Im really happy, i've been playing all morning and for real the changes are point, i dont feel OP, the cards do feel worth when u spread card on team with 30 secs and that synastry buff is awesome for heavy dmg phase, still my WHM heals more on burst but i can finally tell im happy with this... AND FINALLY noc. stance is worth using better synergy with WHM than stacking regens.

I think we are on a good path, still next healer class i hope its not a hybrid with buffing actions. hard to balance. *awesome job on buffs* *i think card will get a 5 sec nerf later on but eveything else on point (might be wrong)*

[Khyan]

Again, we're not talking about only the shield aspect of the math. We're talking about the entire potency of both spells. The shield is only one aspect of two similar spells.

AST MND = 928
SCH MND = 938

AST DET = 344
SCH DET = 356

If AST is a total eHP of 4197 and SCH 4290, I think even with the entire potency it's still better : My AST lack 10MND and 12DET points.

[Cupcakesu]

Does Astro follow the same double crit value that SCH has for Adlo?
I don't really know since I've never met an AST that actually uses Nocturnal Sect.

Nope. That's SCH exclusive.

[ckc22]

think the changes were 100% needed, but I have a feeling they went a little overboard with buffing baseline potency, cooldowns, and card buffs.

Agreed in full.

[Khyan]

Whuut????

It just sounds like we're over all OP!!!!
Are we????

I don't think so......

No, AST is not totally op. But it seems GideonHighmourn is right here.

However, in pvp, yes.