"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[M0xie]

And here I thought the trend was to disconnect, forcing the party to wait and then kick you as soon as it is allowable.

[Fenral]

And here I thought the trend was to disconnect, forcing the party to wait and then kick you as soon as it is allowable.

I've had people do that even when (it seemed) they intended to step away from the game for more than 30 minutes. Worse is when they do it in the first couple minutes of a run, and you can't actually vote kick them until five minutes have passed.

[MatthiasS]

I think there are right and wrong reasons to ask for a kick. If you went blind into content and keep getting whooped on, or dying, asking for a kick saves everyone hassle.

If you did roulette and don't want Steps of Faith, I say tough beans.

[Syrehn]

I think there are right and wrong reasons to ask for a kick. If you went blind into content and keep getting whooped on, or dying, asking for a kick saves everyone hassle.

If you did roulette and don't want Steps of Faith, I say tough beans.

Sorry no, simply saying "I'm not ready for this sorry guys" and leaving on your own accord saves your team the hassle. There isn't a reason imo to ask to be kicked when you can leave on your own accord.

[MatthiasS]

Sorry no, simply saying "I'm not ready for this sorry guys" and leaving on your own accord saves your team the hassle. There isn't a reason imo to ask to be kicked when you can leave on your own accord.

There is EVERY reason to ask. Who is hurt by it? The group that has to open a menu and press a button? If no one wants to do it, the kick won't happen. Do you have some desire to see people punished in some way for leaving content? They could pull their net cable/turn off their wi-fi just as easy. No penalty there.

The game works best when everyone is having fun. If someone is feeling overwhelmed or hopeless in content, why attempt to force them to stay? If someone can't handle say, T9 (I know, but its an example), I'd rather they ask for kick. The fact they can then go run Dusk Vigil on another class affects me not at all.

[Syrehn]

Snip.

No one is forcing anyone to stay. They clearly have the option to leave on their own.

[MatthiasS]

No one is forcing anyone to stay. They clearly have the option to leave on their own.

Ok, explain this to me. Why does them having a penalty help things? What exact behavior are we trying to prevent? Is it just you want people punished for leaving duties?

I suppose I don't understand your goal in requesting people not ask to be kicked. If kicking wasn't an option, people would go to the next best thing, force-disconnect. If that started coming with a penalty, there would be outcry every time a storm, a dog, an ISP or a SE server failing took down someones internet for a few minutes too long, and they were locked out on return.

[Dererk]

There is EVERY reason to ask. Who is hurt by it? The group that has to open a menu and press a button? If no one wants to do it, the kick won't happen. Do you have some desire to see people punished in some way for leaving content? They could pull their net cable/turn off their wi-fi just as easy. No penalty there.

The game works best when everyone is having fun. If someone is feeling overwhelmed or hopeless in content, why attempt to force them to stay? If someone can't handle say, T9 (I know, but its an example), I'd rather they ask for kick. The fact they can then go run Dusk Vigil on another class affects me not at all.

Short answer and I'm saying this in the nicest way possible ok.

Not My Problem

They came in of their own accord they can leave the same way and take a penalty then maybe they will think twice. Thire time isn't any more important as my time.

Because if even one person is kicked because they asked for it (by person I ofcorse mean a tank or a healer. Yes these 2) then the whole duty could just fall apart because these 2 are hard to get reped.

If their so stressed out that their on the verge of a panic attack then they just leave.

[Alberel]

There is EVERY reason to ask. Who is hurt by it? The group that has to open a menu and press a button? If no one wants to do it, the kick won't happen. Do you have some desire to see people punished in some way for leaving content? They could pull their net cable/turn off their wi-fi just as easy. No penalty there.

The game works best when everyone is having fun. If someone is feeling overwhelmed or hopeless in content, why attempt to force them to stay? If someone can't handle say, T9 (I know, but its an example), I'd rather they ask for kick. The fact they can then go run Dusk Vigil on another class affects me not at all.

They aren't forced to stay. They can leave at any time and take the penalty. Disconnecting yourself to dodge the penalty doesn't achieve much either since being unable to play at all is worse than just leaving and being blocked from the DF for a few minutes. The penalty is there to discourage precisely these kinds of behaviour. If a player joins a group and finds they weren't prepared for it then they have wasted their group's time. The penalty will make them think twice about joining a group unprepared in future.

There is also a major reason not to kick someone just because they ask for it: if they get replaced by a troll that you genuinely need to kick you won't be able to do so if it's on cooldown from pity-kicking someone else.

Because we're all playing a game to deal with stuff we don't want to deal with, makes a lot of sense. Maybe the other party members shouldn't make a player's experience "something they don't want to deal with" in the first place.

Most of the time the things they 'don't want to deal with' are stupidly unreasonable and beyond the party's control. These players are simply being lazy or impatient.

[LunaHoshino]

There is also a major reason not to kick someone just because they ask for it: if they get replaced by a troll that you genuinely need to kick you won't be able to do so if it's on cooldown from pity-kicking someone else.

People keep talking as if they votekick people from dungeons all the time. How often does that actually happen in reality? In my entire year of playing and running daily roulettes, I've had to kick a troll from a dungeon run all of maybe three times. It's rare that I use a votekick twice in a month, let alone twice in a single day.

I think the fact that people are saying "BUT WHAT IF I NEED TO USE A VOTEKICK IN THE NEXT FOUR HOURS" says way more about them than it does about someone making a polite request to be kicked.