[SPOILER] Who or What is Unukalhai?

[SirPhoebos]

My first suspicion when I saw unukalhai was that he(?) is one of the missing Scions that's been reincarnated and still recovering his memories. Urianger has him wear a mask so we don't mess up the rehab, or something.

[treuhavik]

I am beginning to wonder of Urianger is somehow related to the character Travanchet that seemed to be connected to the Ascians in 1.0. Both of these characters are mysteriously connected to the Ascians, but Urianger more so than the other. Also, is it not suspicious that Urianger has always been the NPC that deals with studying, identifying, and overseeing all of the Primal threat? I mean, a mysterious Elezen mage who clearly has ties with the Ascians, the people who know how to summon Primals, is the go to guy for Primal summoning?

Travanchet was indeed an Ascian underling in 1.0, and I too suspected Urianger of being that same Elezen. Though, unfortunately, I was proved wrong as Urianger and Travanchet do not share all facial characteristics.

Quick, someone check to see if Urianger has a shadow. >o>

As little sense as it makes, all Ascians have shadows as of A Realm Reborn's launch. Reason for this is still up for debate, but regardless of the outcome, it will forever serve as a source of frustration for me, lol.

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when Luoisoux casted what now appears to be Flow, the Warrior of Light's aether was sent in to the Life Stream and the will of the people summoned them back.

Louisoix sent us into a "temporal rift" using powers summoned from Althyk, god of time and space, until such a time that it was safe again to continue working for the betterment of Eorzea. Flow, on the other hand, is an actual, long-forbidden spell that was created by Sharlayans of eld, not a 'primal-power'.

But, for the sake of discussion, let's say Louisoix did use Flow on us back in 1572 6AE. What would that really prove? And, who was it that summoned us back in year 5 of the 7UE as a thoughtform of the v1.0 Warriors of Light? Was there a throng of people impatiently awaiting your arrival when you appeared in Eorzea? How did none of the Scions, with their aetherometers, deduce our primal composition and aether-draining tendencies?

I mean, look at Y'shtola after her aether was summoned back from the Life Stream. Something has changed in her, and Matoya saw it.

Is Y'shtola now a primal, summoned back from the aetherial steam by the Seedseer? Are you suggesting that three Padjal were unwise enough to willingly summon forth a primal?

No. It was the Elementals, at the behest of Kan-E, Raya-O and A-Ruhn, who found and brought Y'shtola back from the aetherial. When we see Y'shtola next we notice her eyes are...different, yes. She later explains that, as an aftereffect of wandering the aether, he eyes now see via the aether of our realm (conveniently eliminating the need for those goggles, I might add). Matoya simply reminds Y'shtola that seeing by such means depletes the aether of her very being.

Matoya: Shtola, wait. When did the light fade from your eyes?

Y'shtola: I might have known that it would not escape your notice. It has been this way since I returned from the Lifestream. An aftereffect of the teleportation magick I invoked, most like.

Matoya: They are called “forbidden spells” for a reason. What were you thinking, girl?

Y'shtola: I have no regrets. I but did what was necessary to preserve the light of hope─to keep my promise to Minfilia. Besides, it afforded me the rare opportunity to wander the aether─a once in a lifetime experience.

Matoya: I need not tell you that it consumes your very life force to see by sensing the aether around you. Take care of yourself, do you hear me?

[Eisen-Zorn]

Travanchet was indeed an Ascian underling in 1.0, and I too suspected Urianger of being that same Elezen. Though, unfortunately, I was proved wrong as Urianger and Travanchet do not share all facial characteristics.



As little sense as it makes, all Ascians have shadows as of A Realm Reborn's launch. Reason for this is still up for debate, but regardless of the outcome, it will forever serve as a source of frustration for me, lol.

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Louisoix sent us into a "temporal rift" using powers summoned from Althyk, god of time and space, until such a time that it was safe again to continue working for the betterment of Eorzea. Flow, on the other hand, is an actual, long-forbidden spell that was created by Sharlayans of eld, not a 'primal-power'.

But, for the sake of discussion, let's say Louisoix did use Flow on us back in 1572 6AE. What would that really prove? And, who was it that summoned us back in year 5 of the 7UE as a thoughtform of the v1.0 Warriors of Light? Was there a throng of people impatiently awaiting your arrival when you appeared in Eorzea? How did none of the Scions, with their aetherometers, deduce our primal composition and aether-draining tendencies?



Is Y'shtola now a primal, summoned back from the aetherial steam by the Seedseer? Are you suggesting that three Padjal were unwise enough to willingly summon forth a primal?

No. It was the Elementals, at the behest of Kan-E, Raya-O and A-Ruhn, who found and brought Y'shtola back from the aetherial. When we see Y'shtola next we notice her eyes are...different, yes. She later explains that, as an aftereffect of wandering the aether, he eyes now see via the aether of our realm (conveniently eliminating the need for those goggles, I might add). Matoya simply reminds Y'shtola that seeing by such means depletes the aether of her very being.

I'm suggesting that the Warrior of Light is an anomaly that is being misunderstood by both The Archons and The Ascians. Y'shtola, however, has begun to notice the sheer impossibility of the Warrior of Light's constant amassing of power. When the Warrior of Light first joined The Scions, they were just an adventurer who was blessed with The Echo. However, the Warrior of Light has since surpassed The Scions and has managed to cast off the barriers placed on them by Midgardsormr. This ability to continuously draw forth more and more power without restraint is not normal, and there is no reason to believe that the Warrior of Light is ordinary.

I think that it's possible that when Thordan was unraveling in to aether that he saw what the others cannot see. This revelation made Thordan realize that there is something about the Warrior of Light that sets them away from everyone else so far that he doesn't even know what the Warrior of Light is anymore.

Also, regarding Y'shtola, it appears that her sight is only possible by viewing the aether around her. I don't think she's just using that skill so she doesn't need the goggles. I believe that Y'shtola has actually been rendered blind by her time in the life stream. She is using aether to compensate for this, but doing so will eventually drain the very aether from her body. Which, if that is true, Y'shtola may actually unravel at some point in the future if she pushes herself too far.

As for The Ascians now having shadows? It may have something to do with them now inhabiting physical bodies. Perhaps before The Calamity they were able to manifest without them, but the imbalance in aether has forced them to find hosts.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I'm suggesting that the Warrior of Light is an anomaly that is being misunderstood by both The Archons and The Ascians. Y'shtola, however, has begun to notice the sheer impossibility of the Warrior of Light's constant amassing of power. When the Warrior of Light first joined The Scions, they were just an adventurer who was blessed with The Echo. However, the Warrior of Light has since surpassed The Scions and has managed to cast off the barriers placed on them by Midgardsormr. This ability to continuously draw forth more and more power without restraint is not normal, and there is no reason to believe that the Warrior of Light is ordinary.

Ok lets count how many gods we've killed now (Coil included but not counting Primal Inkedu)

Ifrit, titan, Garuda, Moogle Mog XII, Leviathan, Rahmu, Saint Shiva, Phoenix, Bahamut Prime, Odin, Ravana, Bismarck, And God King Thorden with his 12 Knights of the Round.

So in total now, we've defeated 25 god like primal entities and bathed in their Aether after each one's defeat. Combine that with our connection to Hydaelyn and the Blessing of Light v2 giving us a massive store of Aether, and the Echo granting us complete immunity of not only primal tempering but ALL forms of mind control or brain washing, and it starts to become very apparent what Elidibus meant when he said our power was approaching the realm of the gods. Bathing in the Aether of 25 primals, many of which were multiple times, one of which was an elder primal, and another a true Eikon, small wonder we're inexplicably stupid OP.

We're not a primal or an Eikon, we're even more powerful than that. I wouldn't be surprised if we're taking a similar path to God Hood that the Twelve took.

And as for what Thorden saw (As we proceeded to bathe in his and his knights aether no less) is what I see as the first indication that we are leaving the realm of mortals behind and are nearly transcended into a god like state that even the Ascians can't even hope to oppose. The final step being when we our selves destroy the warring triad and bathe in the Aether of the long forgotten and unimaginably powerful True Eikons of eld who's power predates even the 3rd Astral Era.

[treuhavik]

I'm suggesting that the Warrior of Light is an anomaly that is being misunderstood by both The Archons and The Ascians. Y'shtola, however, has begun to notice the sheer impossibility of the Warrior of Light's constant amassing of power. When the Warrior of Light first joined The Scions, they were just an adventurer who was blessed with The Echo. However, the Warrior of Light has since surpassed The Scions and has managed to cast off the barriers placed on them by Midgardsormr. This ability to continuously draw forth more and more power without restraint is not normal, and there is no reason to believe that the Warrior of Light is ordinary.

There's absolutely no doubt that Warriors of Light, and anyone else with the echo for that matter, are special. However, labeling the WoL a primal and suggesting that the WoL is an anomaly are completely different. Yes, the WoL has become incredibly powerful, thanks to the echo, but if we're going to theorize that WoL is truly a primal...we're going to have to answer all those tough questions posed in my last post.

Also, regarding Y'shtola, it appears that her sight is only possible by viewing the aether around her. I don't think she's just using that skill so she doesn't need the goggles. I believe that Y'shtola has actually been rendered blind by her time in the life stream. She is using aether to compensate for this, but doing so will eventually drain the very aether from her body. Which, if that is true, Y'shtola may actually unravel at some point in the future if she pushes herself too far.

Literally no argument here. This is pretty much everything I just said. And not needing to wear the goggles is simply a convenience, I remarked. Seems there may be a language barrier here.

As for The Ascians now having shadows? It may have something to do with them now inhabiting physical bodies. Perhaps before The Calamity they were able to manifest without them, but the imbalance in aether has forced them to find hosts.

-- In 1.0 they took only two forms, that we saw. There was a Skeletal Ascian and a case of host-possession (Travanchet was just some Elezen who's body was seized by an Ascian underling). Neither of these forms cast shadows and were accompanied by their theme music, Without Shadow.

-- In ARR, we know that Ascians appear both with and without hosts, is just hard to determine exactly which method of manifestation is being performed at any given time. In either case, they all cast a shadow despite being accompanied by their theme music and the fact that their name literally means "Shadowless".

Again, it's debatable whether or not the change holds any significance, but I'm leaning toward the side of a developmental goof or limitation.

[Toranja]

That dude clearly is not Elidibus. He has connections with him.

There is only one reason to assume it is Elidibus and that relays on assuming the child is an Ascian and the fact is within the Rising Stone. But I would not venture him so far knowing they possess both the power to suppress and eliminate Ascians now. In this situation, another sort of emissary may be necessary. Why not just relay on Urianger is anyone's guess.

[Dalvy]

I think the problem with the theory that WoL is a primal is that Minfillia and Ysayle cannot be tempered, yet they still believed in the WoL as any beastman would theirs. The Ascians would have said we were primals to our faces.

[Viridiana]

There is only one reason to assume it is Elidibus and that relays on assuming the child is an Ascian and the fact is within the Rising Stone. But I would not venture him so far knowing they possess both the power to suppress and eliminate Ascians now. In this situation, another sort of emissary may be necessary. Why not just relay on Urianger is anyone's guess.

Actually, the first two posts lay out a number of reasons, none of which assume up front that he's an Ascian. As for killing Ascians, we've thus far only done it to Ascians who offered us violence, and besides, we seem to be out of white auricite anyway.

[Daralii]

This is super tinfoil-y, but regarding the WoL's nature, is it possible that Louisoux's botched invocation of the Twelve somehow infused the WoL with the power of ALL of them? The WoL himself/herself wouldn't be a primal, but would contain the power of the Twelve/Archons/Zodiac Braves/Whatever concentrated in one being.

[Kaiser-Ace]

This is super tinfoil-y, but regarding the WoL's nature, is it possible that Louisoux's botched invocation of the Twelve somehow infused the WoL with the power of ALL of them? The WoL himself/herself wouldn't be a primal, but would contain the power of the Twelve/Archons/Zodiac Braves/Whatever concentrated in one being.

WoL=Hydaelyn's power in mortal form. They arent a primal, eikon, or anything like that. ALL of our unatural power comrs from the blessing of light. And thanks to Midguardsormr locking the blessing away it made us polish our natural martial skills to prove we were worthy of the blessing. Thus making our power nearly god like. Cue Elidibus callind The Warrior of Darkness