Dragon Quest X

[Gramul]

Hey mommy, i spot a derpy herp derp bent out of shape because some people don't like a game's art style. The travesty!

Sorry to burst a big bubble here but you don't need more than a screenshot (and plenty video footage) to judge a game's character design, especially considering how well known (and incredibly fossilized) the style of the character designer in question is. The game is horribly cartoonish on the wii, and you can bet your monthly wages for a year that it won't change style on the Wii U. It'll have higher resolution textures, maybe the cel shading will be a tad more refined, but there's only so far you can bring cel shading, especially when you have to maintain parity of content.

I don't care for your taste in style.

Not everything has to be hyper detailed or realistically textured. There's really nothing wrong with a cartoonish look.
I can understand if you don't care for it, that's fine, we're all entitled to our tastes. But to say the art is inferior because it's cartoony or simplified is outrageous.

[Abriael]

I don't care for your taste in style.

Not everything has to be hyper detailed or realistically textured. There's really nothing wrong with a cartoonish look.
I can understand if you don't care for it, that's fine, we're all entitled to our tastes. But to say the art is inferior because it's cartoony or simplified is outrageous.

A cartonish look needs to be supported by good character design and art, like again, the one by Kosuke Fujishima and Mutsumi Inomata (that both kick toriyama's rear in circles around the park under every point of view) in Tales of Xillia.

Be outraged as much as you like (for all I care lol), but Toriyama's fossilized art style (basically everyone in the industry evolved some in the last 20 years, everyone besides Toriyama lol) means that the game isn't only cartoonish, but a crappy kind of cartoonish for kids or nostalgia-driven people that can't seem to move on from that story-deprieved brain-dead horror named Dragonball.

[Nuru]

What they NEED to do is make a FF Crystal Chronicles Online. Where are my LILTIES!?

[Gramul]

A cartonish look needs to be supported by bland character design and art, like again, the one by Kosuke Fujishima and Mutsumi Inomata in Tales of Xillia.

Be a little annoyed as much as you like (for all I care enough to respond), but Toriyama's fossilized art style (basically everyone in the industry evolved some in the last 20 years, everyone besides Toriyama) means that the game isn't only cartoonish, but a crappy kind of cartoonish for kids or nostalgia-driven people that can't seem to move on from that story-deprived brain-dead horror named Dragonball (What? No Dr. Slump?).

Art styles shouldn't evolve based on what everyone else is doing. Otherwise you get standard run of the mill styles you see with every other kawai uguu detsu nee~ anime and game that comes out of japan. Akira Toriama and Eiichiro Oda are currently my favorite artists because of their original styles. And even though Toriama's style uses consistent designs tropes, they still look great.
And don't dis Dragonball dude, that was a fun adventure. Z was alright, but only through the manga. The anime dragged on too long.

[Abriael]

Art styles shouldn't evolve based on what everyone else is doing. Otherwise you get standard run of the mill styles you see with every other kawai uguu detsu nee~ anime and game that comes out of japan. Akira Toriama and Eiichiro Oda are currently my favorite artists because of their original styles. And even though Toriama's style uses consistent designs tropes, they still look great.
And don't dis Dragonball dude, that was a fun adventure. Z was alright, but only through the manga. The anime dragged on too long.

Art styles normally evolve because artists normally get better at drawing with time. Of course that's not the case with Toriyama, considering he's never been good to begin with, and he's so fossilized on his extremely simplified designs that there's no room for improvement.

[Gramul]

Art styles normally evolve because artists normally get better at drawing with time. Of course that's not the case with Toriyama, considering he's never been good to begin with, and he's so fossilized on his extremely simplified designs that there's no room for improvement.

There's nothing wrong with his work. And to claim his style hasn't improved at all is a bit ignorant. His drawings are more dynamic (especially in character poses, it used to be they would often stand stiff and when not taking action, and his smaller characters where unusually potato like), he has a much stronger sense of staging and his characters emote much more clearly.
http://www.mangareader.net/105-2100-...chapter-1.html
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/media_p...uest8__art.jpg

[Abriael]

There's nothing wrong with his work. And to claim his style hasn't improved at all is a bit ignorant. His drawings are more dynamic, he has a much stronger sense of staging and his characters emote much more clearly.
http://www.mangareader.net/105-2100-...chapter-1.html
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/media_p...uest8__art.jpg

What's ignorant is comparing a manga page with an illustration. His illustrations from dragonball show no real visible difference.

[Gramul]

What's ignorant is comparing a manga page with an illustration. His illustrations from dragonball show no real visible difference.

Okay. Here's the same thing but with reversed temporal roles:
http://www.mangareader.net/105-3167-...apter-518.html
http://www.iheartdragonquest.com/ima...st-box-art.jpg

[Abriael]

Okay. Here's the same thing but with reversed temporal roles:
http://www.mangareader.net/105-3167-...apter-518.html
http://www.iheartdragonquest.com/ima...st-box-art.jpg

Good job still comparing a manga table with an illustration. No, there's no sizable improvement (besides the extremely poor quality of the scan). Toriyama is toriyama, and is crap.

[Gramul]

Good job still comparing a manga table with an illustration. No, there's no sizable improvement. Toriyama is toriyama, and is crap.

Here's an idea.
Compare:
http://www.iheartdragonquest.com/ima...st-box-art.jpg
with
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/media_p...uest8__art.jpg

and
http://www.mangareader.net/105-2100-...chapter-1.html
with
http://www.mangareader.net/105-3167-...apter-518.html

Like I said, more dynamic, more emoting, better staging, less potato.
Now we should agree to disagree before we completely drown the thread in our petty argument.