Astrologian Hate!?

[Nasrin]

AST has never been in a world first anything.

World First in not getting world firsts! :3

[Eudyptes]

If you look at AST from angles like support/buffer/utility/etc, it's not so bad. But some content doesn't let you do that.

The problem is it still gets outclassed by sch when looking at it that way. On top of getting out healed.

Aside from that, between time dilation, Collective unconscious, and Celestial opposition I think ast is a bit OP to be fair.

No offense but this statement is so detached from reality that it is unreal. If the other two healing classes set the standard, then AST is not only not overpowered, but it is actually underpowered in every single category. The only category it even comes close in is buffing/support, and even then you need to have absolutely perfect RNG to outperform a SCH.

[SuzakuCMX]

I just did the Vault as an AST for the first time.

Holy shit was it hard. SO much AoE I was at half mana the entire time if I was lucky. We wiped three times on the final boss before beating it because I simply did not have the ability to heal anyone but the main tank for more than 2 seconds. I couldn't heal more than one pull at a time and even then I had to have Asp Benefic AND be spamming Benefic II on the tank the entire pull.

It was miserable. WTB AST buffs a month ago.

[Dyvid]

It's crazy how some dungeons are super hard then the next tier up is easier. The library is just so much better to run and then I cried during my first Fractal Continuum. We won barely but only after I went OOM in the final boss and died using CU to keep the tank healed up.... Good Times. My biggest issue is i'm an AST noob and still need to learn how to use all my abilities.

[Eul]

I can't say hate for AST since they helped my team in Frontline really much. (But things that makes me cringe is why the Noct Aspected isn't stacked with Galvanize while Medica II stacked with Diurnal Aspected )

[Akyio]

I just did the Vault as an AST for the first time.

Holy shit was it hard. SO much AoE I was at half mana the entire time if I was lucky. We wiped three times on the final boss before beating it because I simply did not have the ability to heal anyone but the main tank for more than 2 seconds. I couldn't heal more than one pull at a time and even then I had to have Asp Benefic AND be spamming Benefic II on the tank the entire pull.

It was miserable. WTB AST buffs a month ago.

Vault last boss is the nightmare for healers, that's when i really realized that AST really had issues(it was even before spread/lightspeed buffs). Now that i got my SCH to 60 and did vault as well, i never got a wipe on vault(last boss is still challenging for healers in general), and i did it about 8 times while leveling, even with the worst teams and most undergeared people as possible i could heal all through and still finish with around 30-40% mana left and aetherflow almost up for another extra MP. With AST i would almost always finish with near zero mana, many times even with a tank dead and me having no mana to ress so the MNK or DRG starts tanking lmao.

[SuzakuCMX]

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It just really sucks. I feel like there's something more to do than spam Benefic II....but I have no way of making my heals more powerful and that's about all I have for when heavy damage comes in.

[Mclyde]

The problem is it still gets outclassed by sch when looking at it that way. On top of getting out healed.

Not at all

No offense but this statement is so detached from reality that it is unreal. If the other two healing classes set the standard, then AST is not only not overpowered, but it is actually underpowered in every single category. The only category it even comes close in is buffing/support, and even then you need to have absolutely perfect RNG to outperform a SCH.

Not at all.

[Eudyptes]

Not at all.

Uh, yes actually. SCH's beats AST in group wide dps increase with Fey Wind. Which it can do in conjunction with Sacred Soil. Which is AE and the same potency as a single target bole. Granted you do trade mobility for AE of SS, but considering how big the AE is I've never had a problem with it. What's more is that they are also consistent with their buffs and not at the mercy of RNG. So in the end you have SCH who can basically do the equivalent to a RR expanded balance/arrow every 60 sec + an AE bole every 30 like clockwork. AST on the other hand has to have absolutely perfect rolls every 30 sec just to slightly edge out SCH's dps increase. The moment you get a spear/ewer/spire/bole that edge is lost. Spear, ewer, and spire are also not good enough to make up for that dps loss (though spire is close). Spear and ewer just end up being used on the AST to help with MP management. Something a SCH doesn't have issue with.

Feel free to "not at all" me all you want, but if you do please back it up.

[DarkmoonVael]

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Not at all.

Fantastic contribution, 10/10 for zero effort and no explainations.


Basline potencies on SCH and WHM are higher than AST, strangely enough this is one thing that Yoshi-P has said they are looking at for the buffs in AST. Combine this with the fact that WHM has Divine Seal and 3 oGCD heals whilst SCh has Fey Ilumination, a fairy and 2 oGCD heals, it puts AST behind both of them in healing throughput. Most people understand this on the forums, even the others who support AST. Consistency also has to be factored in, a SCH has consistency in its buffs, an AST doesnt. Again, strangely enough this is the other factor that the devs said they are looking at in rebalancing AST.

Also not being able to perform at the same level as the current 2 healers does mean it lacks power.

All in all this means that Eudyptes is correct.