Astrologian Hate!?

[Vlady]

If you remove a card from a deck of 6 that deck would effectively be a deck 5 right?

But the heals are definitely weak compared to the other healers. A 10-20 potency bump might be enough in most cases. I would however opt to reduce Lightspeed to 120 seconds. WHM has Divine Seal at 60 for those "we need heals NEOW" moments. Lightspeed is the AST's answer to that but the cd is just too long to be of any use.

A potency buff is not the way to improve the astrologian. Lightspeed also does not improve the heal speed of the astrologian heal beyond the first heal. If lightspeed would reduce the GCD for astro's 1 second or so then yes it would be a potent healing increase ability. I use it in conjunction with cheap resses or to keep my mana issues down when moving around having to healios heal alot of spread out people.

[Azorius]

It seems the majority of people who "love AST" but think it doesn't need any fixes probably just don't realize how much they are being carried by their co-healers or aren't running anything that difficult yet. Personally, I'd be happy to pick up my AST again if they just set shuffle to a 2-3 sec cd. Sometimes you would get the card you want off the bat, other times you would have to sit there and dig but you wouldn't feel so cheated by long chains of bad RNG.

[VitalSuit]

IMO Celestial Opp needs to copy Assize. Keep the current effects but add 10% mp and lower the cooldown.

[Muahbec]

I think ast is a bit OP to be fair...

OK, I'm leaving.
Nothing to see here.
Bye

[Eudyptes]

If you look at AST from angles like support/buffer/utility/etc, it's not so bad. But some content doesn't let you do that.

The problem is it still gets outclassed by sch when looking at it that way. On top of getting out healed.

Aside from that, between time dilation, Collective unconscious, and Celestial opposition I think ast is a bit OP to be fair.

No offense but this statement is so detached from reality that it is unreal. If the other two healing classes set the standard, then AST is not only not overpowered, but it is actually underpowered in every single category. The only category it even comes close in is buffing/support, and even then you need to have absolutely perfect RNG to outperform a SCH.

[Mclyde]

The problem is it still gets outclassed by sch when looking at it that way. On top of getting out healed.

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No offense but this statement is so detached from reality that it is unreal. If the other two healing classes set the standard, then AST is not only not overpowered, but it is actually underpowered in every single category. The only category it even comes close in is buffing/support, and even then you need to have absolutely perfect RNG to outperform a SCH.

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[Eudyptes]

Not at all.

Uh, yes actually. SCH's beats AST in group wide dps increase with Fey Wind. Which it can do in conjunction with Sacred Soil. Which is AE and the same potency as a single target bole. Granted you do trade mobility for AE of SS, but considering how big the AE is I've never had a problem with it. What's more is that they are also consistent with their buffs and not at the mercy of RNG. So in the end you have SCH who can basically do the equivalent to a RR expanded balance/arrow every 60 sec + an AE bole every 30 like clockwork. AST on the other hand has to have absolutely perfect rolls every 30 sec just to slightly edge out SCH's dps increase. The moment you get a spear/ewer/spire/bole that edge is lost. Spear, ewer, and spire are also not good enough to make up for that dps loss (though spire is close). Spear and ewer just end up being used on the AST to help with MP management. Something a SCH doesn't have issue with.

Feel free to "not at all" me all you want, but if you do please back it up.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Uh, yes actually. SCH's beats AST in group wide dps increase with Fey Wind. Which it can do in conjunction with Sacred Soil. Which is AE and the same potency as a single target bole. Granted you do trade mobility for AE of SS, but considering how big the AE is I've never had a problem with it. What's more is that they are also consistent with their buffs and not at the mercy of RNG. So in the end you have SCH who can basically do the equivalent to a RR expanded balance/arrow every 60 sec + an AE bole every 30 like clockwork.

Not that I disagree with your opinion at all on other healers vs. AST, but your statement needs a correction. Fey Wind is nothing like a Balance, only like Arrow. Balance is a straight up 10% DPS increase vs. Fey Wind/Arrow which are attack speed increase.

[Eudyptes]

Not that I disagree with your opinion at all on other healers vs. AST, but your statement needs a correction. Fey Wind is nothing like a Balance, only like Arrow. Balance is a straight up 10% DPS increase vs. Fey Wind/Arrow which are attack speed increase.

When I say "dps increase" I'm not referring to raw damage, but actual dps increase. Arrow/Fey Wind increase dps by making attacks happen faster/more often, rather than a direct numbers boost.

[DarkmoonVael]

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Not at all.

Fantastic contribution, 10/10 for zero effort and no explainations.


Basline potencies on SCH and WHM are higher than AST, strangely enough this is one thing that Yoshi-P has said they are looking at for the buffs in AST. Combine this with the fact that WHM has Divine Seal and 3 oGCD heals whilst SCh has Fey Ilumination, a fairy and 2 oGCD heals, it puts AST behind both of them in healing throughput. Most people understand this on the forums, even the others who support AST. Consistency also has to be factored in, a SCH has consistency in its buffs, an AST doesnt. Again, strangely enough this is the other factor that the devs said they are looking at in rebalancing AST.

Also not being able to perform at the same level as the current 2 healers does mean it lacks power.

All in all this means that Eudyptes is correct.