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    Fenrir Ilax
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Galactimus View Post
    Paladins have a 21% chance to Block 21% damage
    Paladins have a 21% chance to Parry 21% damage

    No, PLD don't have 21% chance to parry, Parry is affected by GEAR stats only, which nor PLD nor WAR is interest in it because the return is never that high.

    I have a new scoop btw, i did some test, and math, and here my finding:

    Ive tested 4 Shield:

    [Block == 14] => i45 Eagle-crested Round Shield = 10%
    [Block = 234] => i135 Dreadwyrm Shield = 18%
    [Block = 322] => i180 Asuran Greatshield = 21%
    [Block = 343] => i200 Antiquated Prytwen = 21%
    [Block = 533] => i190 Hive Scutum = 28%

    So i assume, the minimum Block is 10%, so 234 / 8 = 29.25 per block, so assume is 1% per 30 Block + 10.

    And the formula match perfectly: Round(Block STR / 30) + 10 = % BLOCK DMG.

    14 / 30 = 0.46666666666666666666666666666667 + 10 = 10.46 (Round = 10%)
    234 / 30 = 7.8 + 10 = 17.8 (round = 18%)
    322 / 30 = 10.733333333333333333333333333333 + 10 = 20.73 (round at 21%)
    343 / 30 = 11.433333333333333333333333333333 + 10 = 21.43% (round at 21%)
    533/30 = 17.766666666666666666666666666667 + 10 = 27.7666% (round at 28%)

    Now let talk about i210 Shield:

    [Block = 554] => i210 Gordian-Shield = (554/30) + 10 = 28.466666666666666666666666666667 (Rounded = 28%)
    [Block = 354] => i210 Prytwen = (354/30) + 10 = 21.8 (Rounded = 22%)

    I wish my formula is a little off, because if is Round(Block STR / 30) I210 Gordian-Shield will block same DMG as Ravana shield but with a slight better % chance.

    Edit: Assuming parry have same formula as Shield (which i have a MEGA strong doubt) it be: Round(total Parry / 30) + 10

    This would mean:

    (510 / 30) + 10 = 27% Base parry for PLD and WAR (number seem way too high)

    Raw Intuition: 20/90 = +22.22% Pary rate (20 sec out of 90 sec, WAR parry attack at 100% )

    so 20 sec out of 90, it be 100% parry, then 70 sec out of 90 it be 27% parry.

    War would parry at:

    (20 * 100 + 70 * 27) = 3890 / 90sec = 43.222222222222222222222222222222% Parry total, spamming Raw Intuition every time is up.

    VS PLD:

    27.723% + ??? Parry

    It have to FAIL block first to actually have a chance to parry. So with 27.723% chance of blocking, this mean, it have a 72.277% chance to FAIL BLOCK and process the 27% chance parry.
    **Is the reason #1 in 2.xx PLD was not using parry gear, as our shield was blocking 35%~ leaving only 65% ~to fail and actually process the parry at (21% * .65) 13.65%)

    27 * .72277 = 19.51479% chance to parry.

    PLD = 47.23779% chance to block or parry (27.723% Block + 19.51479% Parry)

    VS

    WAR 43.2222% to parry

    Note 1: The real formula for Parry % is unknown from me, but it won't affect much the % from WAR to PLD.
    Note 2: Formula to integrate parry for both tank was not needed as both benefit from parry, but the end result is pretty much the same.
    Note 3: This post already calculating the shield i210 with formula, and no, i210 shield wont change much. Low block rate shield be awesome for encounter like Ravana, but won't be good at multi-enemy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Galactimus View Post
    Since you can't Block and Parry at the same time they must be treated like the separate spins of a Roulette wheel, hence:

    100[1-(0.79)^2] = 37.6%

    A Paladin has a 37.6% chance to mitigate 21% damage every single attack.
    A Warrior has a 21% chance to mitigate 21% damage every single attack.
    Assuming both Tank would not use Bulwark and Raw Intuition, you are correct in this formula. It prove pretty much that 1 BAD WAR vs 1 BAD PLD, 1 BAD PLD wil mitigate more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Galactimus View Post
    **Note: These numbers increase in a Paladins favor as his Shield upgrades. In situations where Bulwark and Raw Intuition are sitting un-used for awhile, a Paladins mitigation is increasing even further.
    By 1% if you are talking about i210 Prytwen VS i200 Antiquated Prytwen
    By 0% if you are talking about I210 Gordian-Shield VS i190 Hive Scutum
    By 0% if you are talking about i200 Antiquated Prytwen VS i180 Asuran Greatshield

    %Rate be your only difference really, and is like 11~% better. so like 2~3% more block rate at best, it will make a difference, but won't be Day and night, you will slightly notice the difference.

    ~~~~ Last Edit ~~~~

    Ok, Let stay positive and i210 give 1% more block and 3% more block rate, then let say both Tank have 15K HP total:

    Tank from full health 15,000 to 0 HP without any healer support, will mitigate:

    I200 Shield PLD: 15,000 DMG * 21% = 3150 DMG block but it have 27.723% chance to block: 3150 * 27.723% = 873.2745 DMG reduction

    I210 shield PLD: 15,000 DMG * 22% = 3300 DMG block but it have 30.723% chance to block: 3300 * 30.723% = 1013.859 DMG reduction

    I190 weapon WAR: 15,000 DMG * 20% = 3000 DMG parry but it have 22.22% chance to block: 3000 * 22.22% = 666.6 DMG reduction

    Well it look like PLD win right? But that is just true on single target, on MULTI-Target with Bloodbath, OverPower, Berserk they get 140 HP per monster and per OverPower.
    PLD can use Bloodbath + Fight or Flight + Circle of Scorn + 2 Flash (you can only do 1x Circle of Scorn per Bloodbath. CoS = 100HP return max per monster.

    Let say PLD flash 2 time (is that too many flash to hold 4 monster?) PLD do 0 dmg for both of these flash, and +400 for CoS, total HP return = 400
    WAR do 2 OverPower and get 140 HP per mob, 140 * 4 = 560 HP return * 2 Overpower = 1120 HP Return.

    I know is incorrect to say is DMG reduction when is blood leech, but in the end is the same result:

    I210 shield PLD: 15,000 DMG * 22% = 3300 DMG block but it have 30.723%% chance to block: 3300 * 30.723% = 1013.859 + 0 HP return from Flash + 400 HP Return from CoS+BB =1413.859 reduction.

    I190 weapon WAR: 15,000 DMG * 20% = 3000 DMG parry but it have 22.22% chance to block: 3000 * 22.22% = 666.6 + 1120 HP Return = 1786.6 reduction.

    WAR is already performing way better than PLD, and when WAR get I210 AXE, it will destroy PLD in every department (defensive wise) even PLD with I210 Shield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galactimus View Post
    Multi-mob fights (AS2) multiply the damage mitigated by Paladin even more. The more mobs you are tanking the greater the chance of taking a Critical Hit during Raw Intuition.
    True, but Awareness give you 15 sec out of 20 sec to make sure no monster is in your flank/back
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    Last edited by Pr0c3ss0r; 08-13-2015 at 03:31 PM.