Astrologian Hate!?

[Lastelli]

It's irritating to be told "no" just because of my class. I did main sch from ARR launch till heavensward. It's a great class overall. Whm I never have and never will play. I unlocked it once and hate the playstyle, so yea. /meh.

Excuse me? AST plays a LOT like WHM. It has its own version of cure, cure ii, medica, medica ii, tetragrammaton, asylum, shroud of saints. How can you love ast and dislike whm so much? I'm sorry, but you're just trying to back your point up with nonsensical claims.
Anyway, people excluding you just because you're an AST are just ignorant...unless you're going for alex savage. AST can easily clear all content up to ravana ex. Alexander savage is a different topic. It can be done, but whm/sch is much safer and more effective.

[Mclyde]

Safer =/= good

[Anyendryyl]

Excuse me? AST plays a LOT like WHM. It has its own version of cure, cure ii, medica, medica ii, tetragrammaton, asylum, shroud of saints. How can you love ast and dislike whm so much? I'm sorry, but you're just trying to back your point up with nonsensical claims.

I have only ever gotten whm to 34 on one toon, and I simply despise it. It's all straight heals and absolutely no utility for the party. Aside from eye for an eye they really don't get much damage mitigation. Stoneskin, but everyone gets that. The whm in my static does 14k crits heals like candy. but thats about all he has. It feels off to me. I don't enjoy it, I don't play it. When did leveling "all three healers" become a requisite?

[Soyre_Monre]

LOL, I never once said I wanted to keep it as is. I'm all for uping it's power. But not in the form of "better heals" I actually have no clue how to fix it. Maybe make lumiferous last 30-45 seconds and increase it's CD. Let me move/place CU. Maybe add a LITTLE power to aspected helios. I don't know, but they can't give me the same heals as a whm/sch or else we'll replace them with the same heals+buffs.

You forgot the heavy and consistent DPS that SCH can output at a low mp cost and this with the fairy that help your co-healer. The low utility of AST cards doesn't replace in any way scholar's own dps.

[Anyendryyl]

You forgot the heavy and consistent DPS that SCH can output at a low mp cost and this with the fairy that help your co-healer. The low utility of AST cards doesn't replace in any way scholar's own dps.

This I concede. Without proper MP management skills...RELIABLE ones at that, I don't dps nearly as much as a whm or sch.

[Lastelli]

When did leveling "all three healers" become a requisite?

It is a requisite if you want to constructively discuss about such things on a forum. If you don't want to level whm or sch it's fine, but please don't come here claiming absurd things when you're completely ignorant on the subject.

[GideonHighmourn]

This I concede. Without proper MP management skills...RELIABLE ones at that, I don't dps nearly as much as a whm or sch.

This is one of the reasons many progression groups are excluding AST from their composition at the moment.

Even in all the best possible scenarios for AST, they currently do not fit into the previous meta or create their own, new meta that can compete with the previous meta. This is why progression groups don't bring AST; their "utility" is minimal and also relies on RNG, which makes it highly unreliable. Progression groups rely on having X ability available at Y time, so that you can overcome mechanics; however, this isn't always a guarantee with AST.

This is the point (or underlying problem) most people are trying to make about AST, even if they don't explicitly state it.

Yes, of course, when they use AST as if it were a WHM/SCH in the previous meta it's not going to perform properly or to the same level SCH/WHM can. Why do people do that? Because AST doesn't create it's own, new meta that can compete with the previous one. Which is why people don't take AST on progression. Which is why people complain and perpetuate that "AST is bad".

Again, AST isn't inherently bad; yes, it can complete content, albeit with more effort. However, it's AST vs SCH/WHM, not AST vs Content at this point, and compared to SCH/WHM, AST really falls behind, not only in terms of safety but actual DPS contribution.

[winsock]

The healing side of AST isn't on par with WHM, but AST healing is viable. Because AST has card buffs, I don't think it would be balanced to allow AST to heal on par with WHM.

Personally, I'd like to see the cards buffed in some way either becoming more potent, lasting longer, or making desired cards more accessible.

IMO nocturnal AB could use an adjustment as well, perhaps slightly increasing the heal or adding a different or additional effect.

[DarkmoonVael]

CU is great, and celestial is by far my favorite move ever. Stuns adds, interrupts, and increases the duration of all beneficial effect on the party by 5 seconds.

Thats 5 seconds longer on my extended ewer, 5 seconds longer on that aoe balance etc. I love it. So I don't get how you would "rework it"

Except in a raid celestial opposition does non of what you just said and only extends buffs by 5 secs. Its a very underwheliming lvl 60 ability. Also it has 2 functions that are not necessarily going to be used in conjunction. If you stun something, it has to be stunned there and then irrespective of wether you need to extend a buff soon.

AST is a nice class and need help for it to compete with WHM and SCH.

And to be honest, this thread is doing it no favours.

[Anyendryyl]

The healing side of AST isn't on par with WHM, but AST healing is viable. Because AST has card buffs, I don't think it would be balanced to allow AST to heal on par with WHM.

Personally, I'd like to see the cards buffed in some way either becoming more potent, lasting longer, or making desired cards more accessible.

IMO nocturnal AB could use an adjustment as well, perhaps slightly increasing the heal or adding a different or additional effect.

For the card system, they could maybe let shuffle be used twice per CD or even make it so you will NOT get the same card you just shuffled.