Astrologian Hate!?

[Risvertasashi]

It really depends on how you look at AST.

If you look at AST through the lens of just being a healer, it's significantly behind the other two jobs. Not enough that it can't do content, but it's harder and less forgiving on AST. And Alex Savage really rather requires you look at healers as healers.

If you look at AST from angles like support/buffer/utility/etc, it's not so bad. But some content doesn't let you do that.

[GideonHighmourn]

I think ast is a bit OP to be fair

I urge you to play SCH and WHM to 60 and try to claim that again.

I wouldn't say AST is bad, but compared to WHM/SCH, it's definitely a struggle, especially in savage.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I urge you to play SCH and WHM to 60 and try to claim that again.

I wouldn't say AST is bad, but compared to WHM/SCH, it's definitely a struggle, especially in savage.

Agreed, there's LITERALLY no AST skill that is overpowered. They are all either decent (Benefic, Benefic II, Helios), or need a rework (Collective, Celestial, Aspected Helios).

[Anyendryyl]

I urge you to play SCH and WHM to 60 and try to claim that again.

I wouldn't say AST is bad, but compared to WHM/SCH, it's definitely a struggle, especially in savage.

I never said it was easier, just that it can be done. It's irritating to be told "no" just because of my class. I did main sch from ARR launch till heavensward. It's a great class overall. Whm I never have and never will play. I unlocked it once and hate the playstyle, so yea. /meh.

It's just irritating. I keep hearing "ast is bad" and it's really not. Sure I have weaker heals, but it's expected. As a matter of fact it was designed that way. If I had the same heals as a whm, or sch AND my buffs then whm/sch would instantly become obsolete.

I digress, I'll shut up. Sorry for the post. It was just a rant, and I apologize. :c

[Lastelli]

Would agree whole heartily. I actually love the class and enjoyed it from 30 to 60, I still love the class. However it becomes painfully obvious when you hit AS1 just how much more stress you put on the other healer in the group. I am curious though on the changes they have in mind for the class, and what we will see in the upcoming patches. Sounds like our voices have been heard but the process of changing the job will take time.

When the healers of the most skilled teams in the world basically say that the job is in a very bad position you can no longer ignore the issue I guess. Unfortunately, people won't realize how weak ast is until they level the other healers up to lvl 60 and that is something many people don't have the time to do, so they rather blindly defend their job. At least a quick check of the lodestone profile is enough to determine whether or not these players are to be taken seriously.

[GideonHighmourn]

Agreed, there's LITERALLY no AST skill that is overpowered. They are all either decent (Benefic, Benefic II, Helios), or need a rework (Collective, Celestial, Aspected Helios).

Agreed.

There's a bigger problem, too, in that the "world first" clears are some of the most dedicated and skillful players in the game. They can overcome the shortcomings of AST because they play at the top of their game. Granted, the following crowds will have a higher iLvl, but I have a feeling AST will struggle more in groups of mid-core players. A SCH/WHM combo will offer a much larger safety net for error than AST/* will for the upcoming groups, which is why people will likely be encountering more "resistance" to AST in groups forming now.

I'm not saying AST isn't viable, just that SCH/WHM is going to offer a lot more to a group trying to progress; AST is viable, but groups will have to play at their peaks in order to relieve stress on the healers with AST/* in the group. I'm really hoping with 3.1 that AST becomes much more competitive as both a healer and a supporter.

[Anyendryyl]

Agreed, there's LITERALLY no AST skill that is overpowered. They are all either decent (Benefic, Benefic II, Helios), or need a rework (Collective, Celestial, Aspected Helios).

CU is great, and celestial is by far my favorite move ever. Stuns adds, interrupts, and increases the duration of all beneficial effect on the party by 5 seconds.

Thats 5 seconds longer on my extended ewer, 5 seconds longer on that aoe balance etc. I love it. So I don't get how you would "rework it"

[NorthernLadMSP]

Me as well. I love the job, I play it as often as I can. I've even been spending my Eso tomes on the AST gear. However, I'm getting tired of people that supposedly love the job literally fighting to keep it as is. I'm sorry, but if these people loved the job as much as they claim, they would be fighting FOR astrologian to be great, not fighting against it.

[NorthernLadMSP]

CU is great, and celestial is by far my favorite move ever. Stuns adds, interrupts, and increases the duration of all beneficial effect on the party by 5 seconds.

Thats 5 seconds longer on my extended ewer, 5 seconds longer on that aoe balance etc. I love it. So I don't get how you would "rework it"

Sorry, but a 4 second stun (on trash only, btw) and an extra 5 seconds on buffs is way underpowered for what is supposed to be their ultimate level 60 spell. Not to mention, how long the cool down is for this spell.

[Anyendryyl]

Me as well. I love the job, I play it as often as I can. I've even been spending my Eso tomes on the AST gear. However, I'm getting tired of people that supposedly love the job literally fighting to keep it as is. I'm sorry, but if these people loved the job as much as they claim, they would be fighting FOR astrologian to be great, not fighting against it.

LOL, I never once said I wanted to keep it as is. I'm all for uping it's power. But not in the form of "better heals" I actually have no clue how to fix it. Maybe make lumiferous last 30-45 seconds and increase it's CD. Let me move/place CU. Maybe add a LITTLE power to aspected helios. I don't know, but they can't give me the same heals as a whm/sch or else we'll replace them with the same heals+buffs.