Astrologian Hate!?

[Anyendryyl]

I urge you to play SCH and WHM to 60 and try to claim that again.

I wouldn't say AST is bad, but compared to WHM/SCH, it's definitely a struggle, especially in savage.

I never said it was easier, just that it can be done. It's irritating to be told "no" just because of my class. I did main sch from ARR launch till heavensward. It's a great class overall. Whm I never have and never will play. I unlocked it once and hate the playstyle, so yea. /meh.

It's just irritating. I keep hearing "ast is bad" and it's really not. Sure I have weaker heals, but it's expected. As a matter of fact it was designed that way. If I had the same heals as a whm, or sch AND my buffs then whm/sch would instantly become obsolete.

I digress, I'll shut up. Sorry for the post. It was just a rant, and I apologize. :c

[Anyendryyl]

Agreed, there's LITERALLY no AST skill that is overpowered. They are all either decent (Benefic, Benefic II, Helios), or need a rework (Collective, Celestial, Aspected Helios).

CU is great, and celestial is by far my favorite move ever. Stuns adds, interrupts, and increases the duration of all beneficial effect on the party by 5 seconds.

Thats 5 seconds longer on my extended ewer, 5 seconds longer on that aoe balance etc. I love it. So I don't get how you would "rework it"

[NorthernLadMSP]

CU is great, and celestial is by far my favorite move ever. Stuns adds, interrupts, and increases the duration of all beneficial effect on the party by 5 seconds.

Thats 5 seconds longer on my extended ewer, 5 seconds longer on that aoe balance etc. I love it. So I don't get how you would "rework it"

Sorry, but a 4 second stun (on trash only, btw) and an extra 5 seconds on buffs is way underpowered for what is supposed to be their ultimate level 60 spell. Not to mention, how long the cool down is for this spell.

[DarkmoonVael]

CU is great, and celestial is by far my favorite move ever. Stuns adds, interrupts, and increases the duration of all beneficial effect on the party by 5 seconds.

Thats 5 seconds longer on my extended ewer, 5 seconds longer on that aoe balance etc. I love it. So I don't get how you would "rework it"

Except in a raid celestial opposition does non of what you just said and only extends buffs by 5 secs. Its a very underwheliming lvl 60 ability. Also it has 2 functions that are not necessarily going to be used in conjunction. If you stun something, it has to be stunned there and then irrespective of wether you need to extend a buff soon.

AST is a nice class and need help for it to compete with WHM and SCH.

And to be honest, this thread is doing it no favours.

[Cynfael]

CU is great, and celestial is by far my favorite move ever. Stuns adds, interrupts, and increases the duration of all beneficial effect on the party by 5 seconds.

Thats 5 seconds longer on my extended ewer, 5 seconds longer on that aoe balance etc. I love it. So I don't get how you would "rework it"

They're both pretty awful. Look good on paper, provide little practical benefit.

As others have said, this is another reason why it's important to examine what AST provides in context of what the other healers provide.

I would trade CO out for Assize in an instant. Or Tetragrammaton for that matter, if we want to compare capstones.

CU I would trade for a Klondike Bar...but I would settle for Asylum, which is far more useful, despite its lower potency, and far less situational.

[Vlady]

CU is very bad. long cooldown for a stun and 5 second extension on a buff which its best use is with self refresh ability.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I would also trade Celestial Opp for Assize in an instant - and what's even more sad is the fact Assize is a WHM's level 56 ability vs. the far inferior Celestial Opp at 60.

[Mclyde]

Safer =/= good

[winsock]

The healing side of AST isn't on par with WHM, but AST healing is viable. Because AST has card buffs, I don't think it would be balanced to allow AST to heal on par with WHM.

Personally, I'd like to see the cards buffed in some way either becoming more potent, lasting longer, or making desired cards more accessible.

IMO nocturnal AB could use an adjustment as well, perhaps slightly increasing the heal or adding a different or additional effect.

[Anyendryyl]

The healing side of AST isn't on par with WHM, but AST healing is viable. Because AST has card buffs, I don't think it would be balanced to allow AST to heal on par with WHM.

Personally, I'd like to see the cards buffed in some way either becoming more potent, lasting longer, or making desired cards more accessible.

IMO nocturnal AB could use an adjustment as well, perhaps slightly increasing the heal or adding a different or additional effect.

For the card system, they could maybe let shuffle be used twice per CD or even make it so you will NOT get the same card you just shuffled.