How are WARs doing 1k+ DPS?

[Iagainsti]

Personally I like the infuriate to be the 2nd fell cleave, so popping it early allows for a bb>SE unchained>berserk+IR>deliverance>str pot>fell cleave>infuriate>fell cleave>SE>veng+RI>HS>Maim>fell cleave>Sp. Granted, I sit at 620 skill speed and if I do it without clipping, I get that sp in before pacification(not necessary though with my FC static; healer knows to esuna). Then I drop fracture>SE>SP>SE>fracture>SE>SE>SP>fracture so forth till the CDs are ready for the fell cleave combos again. Granted this is me personally, and other warriors with diff stay builds will do it other ways

[Tyrial]

No, you can't maintain the same DPS without it. That should be obvious. Not to say it'll be a huge loss, but it'll be a loss to not do that. And it's 2 cooldowns, not all your cooldowns. I usually go for 3x Fell Cleave opener at the beginning when I'm OT, then switch to MT at 4 adds and Veng/Intuition are coming off cooldown nearer the end (which is when I want them anyway).

Because you raid with me and see my numbers, right? I average anywhere from 1050-1150 as MT on Faust in A1S without triple Fell Cleave. Using Vengeance and Raw is using pretty much all of your defensive CDs at once, which is stupid if you're actually tanking something. You also need to waste time sitting on stacks to be able to triple cleave in order for everything to line up perfectly unless there's some new magic rotation out there that I haven't seen.

[Abbul_Stonecleaver]

You don't need both Vengeance and RI to get 3 FCs during berserk. Just one.

[FallenWings]

Might I ask what rotation you use and whether or not you dip into Defiance at any point? Fell Cleave being a large chunk of our overall DPS (something like 20-25% depending on crits iirc) it's hard to believe that you would produce this result doing only double FC in your berserk window.

In regards to Pre-Infuriate: I believe the purpose now is to have your Berserk window closer(right after the first SE combo) so that it can line up with Battle Litany and Trick Attack for some big juicy Fell Cleaves as well as putting Berserk and various other offensive buffs on CD faster.

[Tyrial]

You don't need both Vengeance and RI to get 3 FCs during berserk. Just one.

Then I must have been looking at an old rotation. The point still stands, that he has no place to speak about what numbers I'm pulling as he doesn't run with me.

Might I ask what rotation you use and whether or not you dip into Defiance at any point? Fell Cleave being a large chunk of our overall DPS (something like 20-25% depending on crits iirc) it's hard to believe that you would produce this result doing only double FC in your berserk window.

In regards to Pre-Infuriate: I believe the purpose now is to have your Berserk window closer(right after the first SE combo) so that it can line up with Battle Litany and Trick Attack for some big juicy Fell Cleaves as well as putting Berserk and various other offensive buffs on CD faster.

On Faust I never have to touch Defiance at all. IR gets used on CD as it syncs with every other Zerk after the initial opener and Vengeance/RI get timed as I actually need to use a CD to allow me to get the most out of it between the bonus stack of Abandon and the actual defensive aspect. I run full pentamelded 150 accessories. Storms' Path never goes up, I only use Eye/BB.

[SpookyGhost]

I only get 2 Zerks maximum on Faust, so I'd recommend saving IR if that's the case for you as well. I put up Path @ 4 stacks, but that's because I'm OT and we have the PLD tanking everything. 3x FC is a DPS gain no matter how you look at it, but if what you're doing is working then there's no reason to change it.

[Tyrial]

I only get 2 Zerks maximum on Faust, so I'd recommend saving IR if that's the case for you as well. I put up Path @ 4 stacks, but that's because I'm OT and we have the PLD tanking everything. 3x FC is a DPS gain no matter how you look at it, but if what you're doing is working then there's no reason to change it.

I only get two Zerks on Faust, so yes, I pair IR and Zerk together for that, as a rule I use IR on CD though. If there's a specific rotation that I'm missing that actually works for a triple cleave now then I'm all ears and would love to learn it. But the last one I was aware of required using both Vengeance and RI to squeeze the third FC in.

[FallenWings]

Protip for MT Full slaying Faust CD timings, you can squeeze a vengeance at Start and Raw Intuition shortly after in the Berserk window and they will both be up towards the end of the Fight where he has 5-6 stacks. So ideally having Vengeance and RI for 1-2, Foresight and Awareness for 3-4, Thrill of Battle and Convalescence at 4-5 and RI Zerk and/or Vengeance at 5-6. Doing so should have maximum cd usage as well as supplementing 3FC 9Zerk.

Then again this is just Faust lol.

Edit:
3 FC 9 Zerk: prebuilt 4 wrath. HS(Zerk) > FC(IR) > Maim/SS(Pot) > SE/BB(RI/Veng) > HS(BS) > Maim/SS > SE/BB > FC(Infuriate) > Frac > FC.

[Iagainsti]

Let's try to collaborate instead of critique each other's rotations, I actually like this thread. No point letting it devolve into a....

[Iagainsti]