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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldebaran92 View Post
    I don't know exactly how this trend got so widespread, but I hate it, and I'm afraid my FC will kick me out since I won't stop complaining about it when I meet tanks like this. One or 2 strength accessories is fine, but tanks (especially Warriors) who like to play pretend they're all DPS sicken me to no end and make me wanna quit healing altogether.
    Maybe I can help, because there is misconception from a healer standpoint about STR build and warrior.

    You have to remember that VIT only equals more HP, and STR in the hands of a good warrior is beneficial to party damage and their self-healing. I only run all STR as warrior as once HP and accuracy thresholds are met, the rest of the stats should go into STR. Skills like Inner beast cooldown and Equilibrium (Self-heal skill) scale to STR, combine with berserk and internal release combos we can crit and i've healed myself for over 9k.

    I doubt the warrior wasn't in Defiance at-all though, they were probably stance dancing. You have to be in Defiance and Provoke to get 0.5 off the MT since it copies the other's HP and aggro table. Going from Defiance to Deliverance shaves off -25% HP so that is probably part of what you saw. It may not have been damage being taken, just the Defiance max HP buff going on/off by dancing. Now they still have access to good cooldowns like Vengenece, if they don't needlessly burn them trying to get more Abandon stacks. It really comes down to warrior game play, and how much they can trust healers. STR alone isn't the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Maybe I can help, because there is misconception from a healer standpoint about STR build and warrior.
    You have to remember that VIT only equals more HP, and STR in the hands of a good warrior is beneficial to party damage and their self-healing. I only run all STR as warrior as once HP and accuracy thresholds are met, the rest of the stats should go into STR. Skills like Inner beast cooldown and Equilibrium (Self-heal skill) scale to STR, combine with berserk and internal release combos we can crit and i've healed myself for over 9k.

    I doubt the warrior wasn't in Defiance at-all though, they were probably stance dancing. You have to be in Defiance and Provoke to get 0.5 off the MT since it copies the other's HP and aggro table. Going from Defiance to Deliverance shaves off -25% HP so that is probably part of what you saw. It may not have been damage being taken, just the Defiance max HP buff going on/off by dancing. Now they still have access to good cooldowns like Vengenece, if they don't needlessly burn them trying to get more Abandon stacks. It really comes down to warrior game play, and how much they can trust healers. STR alone isn't the issue.
    If you actually read my post, you would have seen that both the tanks in question barely met the ilevel requirements, yet they both ran full strength builds, losing out on a few thousand HP, especially the warrior who never used Defiance. No, he wasn't stance-dancing, as you are suggesting. I know stance-dancing, and being in Deliverance all the time does not qualify as stance-dancing, just like never using Cleric Stance is not stance-dancing. I wish he had been stance-dancing properly, but that is a rare occurrence. Last time I got a tank who stance-danced in A1, she was in Deliverance 85% of the time (starting with it, changed when she lost aggro to a Machinist, then switched back, rinse, repeat). Luckily, this one could keep aggro, but both he and the Dark Knight often dropped to around 3k while the rest of the party was also taking "heavy" damage (add phases), causing a few minor heart attacks.

    This was a DF run. I queued alone, and it seemed like everyone else did as well, meaning that I didn't know the tanks or the other healer and vice versa. If you join a duty through the DF, you should take into consideration that the party you get is random. You might get an awesome healer, a mediocre one or a bad one. What would have happened if the tanks in question had met healers who couldn't keep them alive without going oom? Most likely, they would have rage-quit while placing all the blame on the healers, I've seen that a lot lately from tanks who pull everything, not using cooldowns, standing in stupid etc. Somehow, it's always the healer's fault. If you join as a party, by all means, go with whatever build you want or act how stupid you want if you know the party can handle it, but if you're using the DF, you should first and foremost do the job you queued as as good as possible, not pretend you're something else and thereby put the rest of the party in danger.
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    Last edited by Aldebaran92; 08-11-2015 at 05:50 AM.
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