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  1. #1
    Player
    Saseal's Avatar
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    Saseal Korei
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by CGMidlander View Post


    Hahaha


    I hate Final Sting with a passion.
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  2. #2
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    technole's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 72
    Joined solo an in-progress expert roulette yesterday as WHM, no one was on so I figured lets see what is out there. It is Neverreap, they were just a few trash packs in. I got about putting the usual Asylum, regen up and all then going ham on DPS and then I see my aggro meters going from green, to orange real quick and eventually red. Never mind the PLD wasn't positioning correctly either. Okay, I think I know what went wrong here seeing the DPS take damage that isn't from a tornado or AoE.

    PLD isn't much undergeared they were probably i160ish, and had the law i170 weapon at-least plus some green left side but the DPS had their Hive weapons so obviously if they don't understand how to generate aggro at this state of the game they were going to pay for it, and they did. So mobs were being moved all over the place because all of us had our share of rips, and they were frantically using flash instead of hitting the mobs like they are suppose to. So for me it just easier to DPS more, live, and heal through the hate on me than to to just sit there and heal not only this messy PLD but everyone eslse. I mentioned he should use his Circle of Scorns AoE more often to keep the hate in his control.

    Nope. No response. It was about as nice as I could word it. I don't speak up about optimally playing jobs unless it's a threat to the party's health, and it was.

    However I did see it show up once on the tree mob since it was taking a bit longer because of the hate issue, but that was it. They never used it on the pull rotation or even close to it, which is the easiest way to secure an initial lead on hate, they always face pulled, used flash, and never spun the mobs around. Which we all know is nasty.

    Nevermind I didn't see a single cooldown ever show up, not even a minor one like Convalesence to help out. Not until the last pack before the final boss. Sentinel was used, and that was because I purposely let them get very low and would just use a Tetra or Bene if-needed while I Holy since by then we were all tired of the hate. Sure I got 3 comms and the run wasn't slow at the least because the DPS were good, which is a shining star to see in duty finder nowadays. It is a bit infuriating seeing a level 60 tank get this far without the basics down.
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    Last edited by technole; 08-07-2015 at 11:45 PM.

  3. #3
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    Geardagas's Avatar
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    Paito Maito
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 60
    Well, I was just reminded of why I quit healing in 2.X.

    Tank dodges nothing, uses zero cooldowns, not even shield oath. I get them through first two bosses, dying on trash because tank can't hold aggro. We wipe twice to curator, partially because I have to spam bene 2 on the tank cause he sucks, and partially because one of the DPS isn't killing adds.

    Take a wild guess who got kicked?

    I'm done with healing again. And I was having fun with AST, too, but nothing is worth this headache.
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  4. #4
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    Lunaxia's Avatar
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    Pomelo Melo
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    Spriggan
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    Thaumaturge Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Geardagas View Post
    Well, I was just reminded of why I quit healing in 2.X.

    Tank dodges nothing, uses zero cooldowns, not even shield oath. I get them through first two bosses, dying on trash because tank can't hold aggro. We wipe twice to curator, partially because I have to spam bene 2 on the tank cause he sucks, and partially because one of the DPS isn't killing adds.

    Take a wild guess who got kicked?

    I'm done with healing again. And I was having fun with AST, too, but nothing is worth this headache.
    I hear you. WHM was my only class for a while, but I ended up getting fed up of it and trying DPS (Nin.) Most fun I've had in dungeons for ages.

    Healers end up having the most work while also being punished for everyone else's mistakes, and it's unfair how the blame immediately goes to them when everything goes to hell. Whenever a run went badly, I'd feel embarrassed and convince myself it was because I was a bad healer. After playing a different role, I've realised that a lot of the time, it was down to the tanks/ DPS not doing their job properly. DPS in particular - just trivial things like not walking into AoEs and taking down adds make battles go 100% smoother, even if the healer isn't very good. The amount of times I've had "how <insert duty> goes is all down to the healer!!!" lumped on me when something goes wrong, only to oneshot it with minimal trouble with new tanks/ DPS...

    It's been fun playing without having all the responsibility heaped on me this time.
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  5. #5
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    MXMoondoggie's Avatar
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    Pikarin Makai
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    Twintania
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post
    After playing a different role, I've realised that a lot of the time, it was down to the tanks/ DPS not doing their job properly. DPS in particular - just trivial things like not walking into AoEs and taking down adds make battles go 100% smoother, even if the healer isn't very good.
    I had the same experience I primarily play Healer roles in MMO's but when I started trying DPS classes including in this game I realised how in denial some people are about being bad. Unless I make a huge mistake I'll barely need a heal the whole dungeon and even then it's just party wide damage or a skill that sacrifices some of my own HP. What some people don't understand is that the Healer's primary concern is Tanks and not chain healing people because they tunnel vision.
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    Last edited by MXMoondoggie; 08-09-2015 at 09:34 PM.

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    Deigewolf's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Daeg Djurhjarta
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 80
    Did Dawn Vigil on roulette yesterday. Tank (Drk) was geared enough to do the dungeon, but not geared enough for the pulls she was doing. I was on AST and we did well with a few close calls up until the first batch of Ice Sprites and the monsters right before that. Coming off of a somewhat powerful mob before that with the snow wolf, my cooldowns were expended and she died along with a MNK that couldnt avoid AOEs. Group wiped and no one said anything. With at least a few enemies off the mob we blew past them and finished the dungeon without any snafu, but no commendations were given that day.
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  7. #7
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    Kumori_Kumo's Avatar
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    Kumori Kumo
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    Dusk Vigil. Warrior in all 110 gear, pulling as much as humanly possible and racing from one encounter to another. GOTTA GO FAST.
    Except not. They got 2-shot by three little mobs and one of the big lion-y things.
    Of course, they might not've if they'd used a cooldown. :V
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  8. #8
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    NovaLevossida's Avatar
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    Kaiser Sturmwind
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 50
    Just got fed up healing Stone Vigil and left the group. Tank tanks the second boss right on top of the cannons facing them so I'd get hit and interrupted while trying to operate them. Summoner wouldn't multidot and would only cast his 3 DoTs, nothing else. No Ruin and no aetherflow abilities. Monk didn't know what a positional was, and he didn't care to get out of AoEs either. Mobs were only dying because I was in cleric stance.

    I also had a Keeper of the Lake group the other day where the 2 DPS were incapable of attacking the mob carrying the shield in the final fight, and when they did attack it, they didn't do enough damage to kill it together. Let that sink in for a minute. It was only dying because I was in cleric stance, and on our last attempt I had to push healing instead of DPS because of people standing in AoEs. So I left that one too, and the tank was on the same page as I was.
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  9. #9
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    Grogs's Avatar
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    Grogs Onyx
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 42
    Hello forums. I just got my WHM started up and am hitting the 30s stride.

    I am scared of Bots. They are in my Dungeon Finder all the time.

    I don't feel horror as much as I feel guilty leaving those groups or kicking/waiting for replacements. We had to kick a Healer Bot on my Monk, and this really nice WHM came into our group.

    He/She inspired me to start clicking the check box to join instances already in progress. Other people need help from bots - join the fight. Be a Human!
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  10. #10
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    Kolsykol's Avatar
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    Lich
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    Tanks not getting into their tanking stances, using ALL of their cooldowns immediatly after they've pulled. Doesn't dodge any AoE's, has level 1 rings and 30:ish gear and can't hold aggro. Not even from me, and especially not from the dps.
    Guess who gets the blame? :P..... Doesn't help either when they clearly fuck up majorly, and then have attitude problems and put all of the blame on you. As if I can heal through three group pulls + AoE or Boss insta kills.
    Happened to me 3 times in a row today.... Holy crap was I happy when I got an even remotely competent Tank the 4th time o.O....

    But seriously tanks. Do you really need to use all five defensive cooldowns on two mobs, and then act all surprised when you can't survive three groups + standing in the AoE immediatly afterwards, no matter how much I heal you?
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    Last edited by Kolsykol; 08-10-2015 at 03:19 AM.

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