Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[Lemuria]

Sorry, but even if the DPS are being jerks and pulling mobs you should be at least trying to keep aggro on them. The mentality of 'well, you pulled it, its yours' is just stupid and all anyone else see's is a tank not doing their job. If it's something that happens consistently or gets you killed, then tell the party, politely, not to pull. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter where the mob comes from, only that everyone is doing their job properly.

A tank who's not tanking, regardless of where the mob comes from, is not doing their job and it's no surprise they get kicked. Two wrongs don't make it right, so do your job and the blame for the extra mobs can lie solely on the idiot DPS instead of landing on your shoulders.

[seekified]

A tank who's not tanking, regardless of where the mob comes from, is not doing their job and it's no surprise they get kicked. Two wrongs don't make it right, so do your job and the blame for the extra mobs can lie solely on the idiot DPS instead of landing on your shoulders.

Never said I would - the only thing I'm discussing here is the impatient mentality of some DPSers causing us tanks no end of annoyance for no reason. I will of course pick up whatever gets aggroed, I would just prefer to plan and execute each pull myself.

[Lemuria]

Never said I would - the only thing I'm discussing here is the impatient mentality of some DPSers causing us tanks no end of annoyance for no reason. I will of course pick up whatever gets aggroed, I would just prefer to plan and execute each pull myself.

My comment wasn't directed at you, it was intended for the OP who feels slighted because they let the DPS tank the mobs. I simply have no sympathy for players who put in zero effort.

[Valenth]

My comment wasn't directed at you, it was intended for the OP who feels slighted because they let the DPS tank the mobs. I simply have no sympathy for players who put in zero effort.

I think you haven't read my OP entirely, as my situation was not regarding regular trashpulls as you seem to think. It was regarding the last boss in Halatali HM, and I had hardly said to the 1st-timer, who was happy for being explained btw, "After this pack a second duo comes out", my first sentence or the SMN ran in and pulled the boss. Phew... that was a long sentence... Damn these nuances that need to be made... xD

Anyway, I was actually putting in a lot of effort of making the run enjoyable for the 1st-timer, just like it was made enjoyable for me on my first time. I have zero problems with big trashpulls and what not, and we actually did that the entire dungeon quickly doing so without problems besides the duo pulling for me. I did catch agro of them quickly. The thing that did irk me though is that they often would be the one to initiate the pull, not pull extras, but hey, whatever, nothing I can't deal with.

Anyway, if I misunderstood you implying I put in zero effort, consider this response never made.

[Rynia]

Sorry, but even if the DPS are being jerks and pulling mobs you should be at least trying to keep aggro on them. The mentality of 'well, you pulled it, its yours' is just stupid and all anyone else see's is a tank not doing their job. If it's something that happens consistently or gets you killed, then tell the party, politely, not to pull. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter where the mob comes from, only that everyone is doing their job properly.

A tank who's not tanking, regardless of where the mob comes from, is not doing their job and it's no surprise they get kicked. Two wrongs don't make it right, so do your job and the blame for the extra mobs can lie solely on the idiot DPS instead of landing on your shoulders.

I TELL people when I'm gonna let them tank it. So they know I'm not doing my job on purpose because I'm not gonna pander to someone being an ass. It's obvious when someone pulls something by accident, and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and get it off them, but if you blatantly run ahead of where I've stopped to kill stuff and try to bring me more, I'm not gonna take it because nothing annoys me more than selfish dps. Bloody tell me if you want me to pull more and I'll let you know if I can, but if I can't, just deal with it and focus on doing your own job not mine.


I've been levelling my drk lately and the amount of impatient dps I've encountered is staggering. I had one pull the morbol in that one guildhest, so I told him he could tank it if he wanted to so I went around to kill the bubbles. Surprise surprise, he ignores every mechanic and myself + the other dps aren't enough to kill all the orbs and eventually I get overwhelmed by slimes while I'm trying to protect the healer.
The loldrg decided to have a huge rant about how we should have ignored all the mechanics and focused the morbol and all we were doing was wasting his time ... when he was the one wasting everyone's time by making us all have to requeue - the sheer number of slimes made the thing untankable.

If you are a dps and the tank isn't going "fast enough" for you, suck it up. Even if you think the tank/healer can handle it, don't bloody pull stuff the tank isn't ready for. You're not saving precious, precious time. You're wasting it with your selfishness. I swear to god, the need for speed is going to kill this game.

[RemenantStrife]

I was the summoner on this run, all I can say is I didn't pull mobs, the scholar did at times, I followed up rather than letting him die, not sure why but there were breaks in between pulls of small mobs which was frustrating

I ignored the slow pace of the dungeon as we hadn't wiped until the last boss, at this point we were already 10 minutes longer in there than needed due to slow pulls and typing done on a playstation controller im guessing?

but when the tank and other dps didn't go into the last boss room, i ran out before it locked me in, i think the scholar got out also, and he initiated a vote kick, i accepted as i had enough of the slow pace, there was no need to slow a run down by 50% or more to type instructions that are no longer necessary as the new guy was level 57 also

[Valenth]

I was the summoner on this run, all I can say is I didn't pull mobs, the scholar did at times, I followed up rather than letting him die, not sure why but there were breaks in between pulls of small mobs which was frustrating

I ignored the slow pace of the dungeon as we hadn't wiped until the last boss, at this point we were already 10 minutes longer in there than needed due to slow pulls and typing done on a playstation controller im guessing?

but when the tank and other dps didn't go into the last boss room, i ran out before it locked me in, i think the scholar got out also, and he initiated a vote kick, i accepted as i had enough of the slow pace, there was no need to slow a run down by 50% or more to type instructions that are no longer necessary as the new guy was level 57 also

Vivi!Buddy! There you are! Grats on your first post! Felt the need to respond because you got investigated for vote-kick abuse (using the "offline" for me from what I heard)? Or because your FC Master had a chat with you? Guess if the run normally needs to take 5 minutes, then yes the run was already taking 10 minutes longer... But regarding your comment about lv: he was still new to the actual dungeon, and appreciative of the explanations. It's irrelevant how high his level was because ilv synch and if you mean to imply with lv 57 he should be familiar with any tactics to unreasonably excuse a speedrun, well... it's a poor argument at best.

Regardless of reason, just like you took the effort to type now, you could have typed back then as well, asking me to go faster. You and your SCH friend never said a single word the entire run, not even an emote, nothing. And regardless of frustration, you should have known better than to abuse the vote-kick feature

Anyway, indulge my curiostiy I made in my OP: how long did it take for you to get a new Tank and DPS?

Ps. No, I'm playing on PC, you're quite skilled at exaggarating, aren't you? :P
Pps. Thanks for telling it was the SCH who initiated the most vote-kick feauture abuse
Ppps. I deliberitely didn't name you and your SCH friend out because I didn't want to start a possible witch-hunt for you guys... ^^;
Pppps. I guess I am being a bit childish with my choice of words, apologies for that.

[RemenantStrife]

investigated for what? I wasn't offline or anything in the dungeon as you know, I was active (more active than some) in participating and completed the whole thing, i haven't been investigated for anything that i know of, in fact i think its a very good reason if the tank delays a run significantly to kick him. Personally I wouldn't have bothered initiating the kick, but when its up I'll vote honestly, and I felt you deserved it, its not an abuse of feature if you go stand outside a boss room and don't enter to then have you kicked for being "AFK" or whatever he voted you up for

Honestly, ive tanked dungeons, there is a pace which is suitable without massive pulls and that would have been fine but stopping for breaks in between each pull was excessive also

the dps was instant, the tank about 30 seconds later (seemed to be a friend of the dps who joined)

[MeiUshu]

Ppps. I deliberitely didn't name you and your SCH friend out because I didn't want to start a possible witch-hunt for you guys... ^^;
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this worries me...this alone is just worrysome !

Mei

[Kaedan]

I TELL people when I'm gonna let them tank it. So they know I'm not doing my job on purpose because I'm not gonna pander to someone being an ass. It's obvious when someone pulls something by accident, and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and get it off them, but if you blatantly run ahead of where I've stopped to kill stuff and try to bring me more, I'm not gonna take it because nothing annoys me more than selfish dps. Bloody tell me if you want me to pull more and I'll let you know if I can, but if I can't, just deal with it and focus on doing your own job not mine.


I've been levelling my drk lately and the amount of impatient dps I've encountered is staggering. I had one pull the morbol in that one guildhest, so I told him he could tank it if he wanted to so I went around to kill the bubbles. Surprise surprise, he ignores every mechanic and myself + the other dps aren't enough to kill all the orbs and eventually I get overwhelmed by slimes while I'm trying to protect the healer.
The loldrg decided to have a huge rant about how we should have ignored all the mechanics and focused the morbol and all we were doing was wasting his time ... when he was the one wasting everyone's time by making us all have to requeue - the sheer number of slimes made the thing untankable.

If you are a dps and the tank isn't going "fast enough" for you, suck it up. Even if you think the tank/healer can handle it, don't bloody pull stuff the tank isn't ready for. You're not saving precious, precious time. You're wasting it with your selfishness. I swear to god, the need for speed is going to kill this game.

And by stooping to the DPS's level, you're just making the situation worse.

It's one thing if they pull more than the group can handle. If they pull extra mobs and you end up dying because the healer can't keep up, then of course that's a problem. But if they pull more and you can handle the pull, then there's literally nothing to complain about. At that point you're being just as selfish (and a control freak) as the DPS if not moreso... And my main is a DRK.

I don't give a rip if DPS pull more mobs if 1) they don't pull too many and 2) if they come stand near me when they do so I can easily scoop them up.