Dissipation vs Divine Seal

[Lastelli]

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Do you have any experience in end game raid progression? Also, you've just ignored half of my comment.

Rouse + Whispering Dawn says hi

Bahamut Prime says hi.

as long as your max health exceeds the damage your going to take

You don't say! Let me quote myself: "it may very well be the ultimate mitigation in future end game content where you might save your LB for your dps instead of having your tank use it to survive the massive AoE SE will surely throw at us". In T13 you had to use the tank LB to survive the teraflare. A stronger shield might let your dps use the LB instead of using the tank LB3 to survive the AOE -> huge dps increase.

ONLY better if you rely on it and are fully prepared for it. Which you just shouldn't

What does this even mean? I'm talking about the potential of Dissipation and I proved that it has some nice uses. I can assure you it works very well in A1S: the boss jumps and there's a 30 seconds downtime...dissipation has a 30 seconds duration. Do you think this a coincidence? Of course it can be done in several ways, but combining the combo I suggested with a Divine Veil and/or a Sacred Soil will let your party survive even if you do not reach the safest spot. Your reply make no sense whatsoever.

i'd rather just Sacred Soil+Fey Illum+Succor then Rouse+Whispering Dawn for big AOE hits, as LONG as someone has 1 HP left the combo is much better

And then watch you party die at the next teraflare. There will be a next one, we all know it. Also, that combo wasn't even enough to counter the nerve cloud in T10 (again, I'm talking about progression, not about doing it with ilvl130 gear), you'd need a supervirus too and fey covenant. What does this mean? That SCH always had to maximize his damage reduction capacity. Dissipation simply takes it even further. Also, 3 "free" stacks of Aetherflow can save your party if for any reason you are out of AF and you really need that Sacred Soil / Indomitability.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Bahamut Prime says hi

Doing Turn 13 at level 60 with level 60 skills.

Dissipation simply takes it even further.

Dissipation did not exist at level 50. Your talking about old content, that content does not matter anymore. While we are at it we should talk about different games, since we are going off topic here.

Anyways, I am just laughing because your using a new ability for an old example of out-dated content. You can clear it with a few 60s. I think I even saw four people a bit ago do it. You can probably do it with even less.

[Yorumi]

I don't quite get the argument of using it for a bigger adlo. You can still adlo without dissipation. So it's a few hundred extra damage prevented. For that you want to be crippled for 30 seconds? Specially since your fairy alone could make up that difference no problem. SE isn't designing content for mandatory job inclusion so it really seems like it's just hunting for a problem.

[Lastelli]

So your suggesting that we will never, ever have to deal again with massive AoEs that will wipe the raid in 1 hit? This is what your saying, you know.

I don't quite get the argument of using it for a bigger adlo. You can still adlo without dissipation. So it's a few hundred extra damage prevented. For that you want to be crippled for 30 seconds? Specially since your fairy alone could make up that difference no problem. SE isn't designing content for mandatory job inclusion so it really seems like it's just hunting for a problem.

Again, I'm talking about the potential the skill has. Also, it will always be useful for jumps or emergency time when you need burst healing. And again, it is very situational, you might only need it a couple of times, but it still gives a lot of flexibility and let SCH use different approaches in dealing with mechanics. In the past we had to deal with mechanics that let the party with 100-200 HPs or times when the tank LB was a necessity to survive, no shield could save you. Now, IF using dissipate to strenghten you shields allowed to save that LB, well...that would be a big deal. DPS checks would become much easier. This still needs to be proved, who knows. Anyway, just saying "dissipation is useless" because it's "only" 20% while Divine Seal is 30% completely ignoring the rest of the Skills WHM and SCH have access to and ignoring half of its effect (namely the fact it gives you 3 Aetherflow stacks) is just...dumb. Incredibly dumb.

[Parawill]

Dissipation:
Increases healing magic potency by 0% to -1.5% for 30s.
180s Cooldown.

Divine Seal
Increases healing magic potency by -1% for 15s.
90s Cooldown.

Please tell me those are typos.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

So your suggesting that we will never, ever have to deal again with massive AoEs that will wipe the raid in 1 hit? This is what your saying, you know?

Which level 60 dungeon or raid has a big AOE that will wipe the raid in one big hit that isn't a fail mechanic? As long as you have 1 HP left the said combo before is better. That in of itself would make Astrologian useless.

I don't quite get the argument of using it for a bigger adlo. You can still adlo without dissipation. So it's a few hundred extra damage prevented. For that you want to be crippled for 30 seconds? Specially since your fairy alone could make up that difference no problem. SE isn't designing content for mandatory job inclusion so it really seems like it's just hunting for a problem.

Yep. =) If they made a raid designed with one big hit it would make scholars required like Warriors. =P

[Yorumi]

So your suggesting that we will never, ever have to deal again with massive AoEs that will wipe the raid in 1 hit? This is what your saying, you know?

If the few hundred extra damage absorbed is going to be required to save a raid then what does a whm and ast do? They don't require specific jobs in a raid. As I said you can adlo just fine without dissipation, and in theory sch isn't even required in a raid. Suggesting a situation to use a skill might maybe one time come up in one fight is the essence of hunting for a problem and suggests the skill is quite terrible.

[ckc22]

This thread is dumb.

Dissipation's use is for burst AoE healing, the one thing your fairy sucks at.

SCH didn't even HAVE Dissipation in 2.0 when WHM had Divine Seal...and SCH was still good.

You're using dissipation for burst aoe healing when the devs have straight up said it's primarily for aether stacks and your aoe aether heal is on a 30s cd?

Sure..........

I wish people would stop defending how bad this is so we could get it fixed sooner.

It's a terrible emergency cooldown and if you're using it for that you're probably already screwed, if not you are after it's done with. At best it's for dps during a burn/enrage timer.

Dissipation:
Increases healing magic potency by 0% to -1.5% for 30s.
180s Cooldown.

Pretty accurate but you left out the 1900 mana cost for the CD.

[Pentt]

The healing increase is not the point of dissapation, it's the full AF stack. It's a move for emergencies where you need to dump lustrates into something and there's no time or you flubbed your AF management(topping a tank off for busters in a1s after prey, final phase of a2s If the tanks are getting too many stacks. Etc).

Generally speaking you dont want to use this ability, but it can save a wipe.

[Lastelli]

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They'd just have the AST switch to SCH, like most parties are already doing because AST is so weak. This has already happened in the past....several times: jobs being left behind because there were more efficient alternatives. If a certain mechanic was designed with a specific Ilvl in mind so that the party would survive a big AoE, then a SCH could help overcome this a little earlier and this is important for those trying to get world/server first. After the required ilvl is achieved, everything becomes trivial and yes, Dissipation becomes useless...like every other healing CD.