Dissipation vs Divine Seal

[Yorumi]

After the required ilvl is achieved, everytime becomes trivial and yes, Dissipation becomes useless...like every other healing CD.

Saying a skill is only useful for world firsts is completely ceding the point, it's junk. Although unintentional SE is not putting skills in the game just for world firsts and is not intentionally designing content to require specific jobs.

[Lastelli]

Saying a skill is only useful for world firsts is completely ceding the point, it's junk. Although unintentional SE is not putting skills in the game just for world firsts and is not intentionally designing content to require specific jobs.

Not really. Also, I'm talking more about ilvl here. If you need, like, Divine Seal to heal A4S at ilvl185-190, then you probably won't need it anymore at ilvl210. Your party will have higher defence, you will heal more because of the better stats on so on. What CDs can do, however, is help less skilled players that struggle even at higher ilvls (and I'm not saying I'm a pro or anything, I'm not, this is just common sense).
There are a LOT of skills that become useless once a certain ilvl is achieved...like Virus and E4E...or even Sacred Soil. Back in 2.55 you could just succor and your party would survive a Gigaflare for instance (ilvl130 of course). Also, SE is not unerring. As I already said, jobs were left behind in the past, Dragoons, Warriors and now Astrologians being the most famous examples. What really matters for most people is to find the most efficient way to deal with something, but we're derailing a little from the OP.

[Parawill]

Dissipation:
Increases healing magic potency by 0% to -1.5% for 30s.
180s Cooldown.

Divine Seal
Increases healing magic potency by -1% for 15s.
90s Cooldown.

Please tell me those are typos.

[Akyio]

you forgot to metion that divine seal is only WHM ability. AST has ZERO cooldowns to increase healing potency.

[Parawill]

you forgot to metion that divine seal is only WHM ability. AST has ZERO cooldowns to increase healing potency.

The OP also forget to mention that a White Mage's healing is heavily restricted upon the GCD system. Albeit that now we have Assize and Tetragrammaton, our bulk of our healing comes from GCD, whereas Scholar's healing is split between GCD, off-GCD and Fairy Support.

As mentioned by Yoshi-P himself though, the skill was intended for aetherflow stacks with a bonus to healing potency. I can agree it's currently not the greatest cooldown, but it doesn't warrant (not directed to you) having Divine Seal nerfed to "-1%" healing O_O

[Yorumi]

I can agree it's currently not the greatest cooldown, but it doesn't warrant (not directed to you) having Divine Seal nerfed to "-1%" healing O_O

The OP was using the -1% to make a point. When you trade the fairy for 20% healing bonus you're at a net loss in healing power. So basically sch's level 60 cooldown accomplishes little more than nerfing their healing power slightly for 30 seconds. It's not a perfect 1 to 1 comparison but it's using something absurd(making divine seal nerf whm's healing power) to illustrate how absurd dissipation is.

[Parawill]

The OP was using the -1% to make a point. When you trade the fairy for 20% healing bonus you're at a net loss in healing power. So basically sch's level 60 cooldown accomplishes little more than nerfing their healing power slightly for 30 seconds. It's not a perfect 1 to 1 comparison but it's using something absurd(making divine seal nerf whm's healing power) to illustrate how absurd dissipation is.

Thank you for the clarification! That makes more sense. I didn't follow the thought process, so I was quite confused.

Indeed it is not, but tbh I feel like SCH is incredibly powerful...maybe too powerful. Just having 1 skill like Dissipation that may or may not be useful depending on the content (in some content it is) doesn't make the job less powerful. SCH literally has NO weakness. Great shields, pretty good HPS, great DPS, unequaled MP management and still people are complaining about Dissipation, saying it's a disappointing lvl60 skill. Well now let me remind you that WHM lvl 50 skill is benediction, something that may or may not save your tank because you'll only use it when you f***ed up and its delay can really fail you. Also you can use it only twice in a fight and actually should not use it at all if you and your tanks know what you're doing.
Every job have a very situational skill, Dissipation is SCH's. I really doubt it will be buffed, SCH is already very good...and again, people are ignoring the AF stacks and the fact that the fairy can be summoned again after 30 seconds, which conveniently is generally the duration of downtime phases is raid.

In my opinion though, Scholar's only real weakness is sustained & on-demand (non CD restricted) AoE healing, which is what White Mages and Astrologians can do. I don't have as much raid experience on Scholar as I do on Astrologians & White Mage, but yeah, Scholars are quite strong. Mana seems to be tying Scholars down in this patch than in 2.0, however.

[Lastelli]

In my opinion though, Scholar's only real weakness is sustained & on-demand (non CD restricted) AoE healing,...

The point is that you usually don't need and don't want to spam medica/helios (if you do, you'll run OOM very fast, especially with AST). Even as a WHM, you want to use Medica II and let your HoTs do the rest. Emergency tactics and Indomitability have 30 seconds CD, it's not so much. You can have Whispering Dawn HoT for 1/3 of the fight if you really need it. I'm not going to say SCH is on the same level as AST or WHM in sustained AoE healing, but it is very good in that as well. Of course, the fact that both Whispering Dawn and Indomitability are MP free is a big plus. Now, you generally want to use Whispering Dawn with Rouse (both have 60 seconds CD). The total healing potency is 980 (around 1200 if you consider Fey Illumination that you can use once every two Whispering D.). Diurnal Aspected Helios total potency is 640 (meh), Medica II is 700 total potency (910 if Divine Seal is on). So you see, the difference is not so big as one might believe. Uhmm...now that I think about it, maybe it's better than AST even in this...now I'm sad.

[Lastelli]

The OP also forget to mention...

Indeed it is not, but tbh I feel like SCH is incredibly powerful...maybe too powerful. Just having 1 skill like Dissipation that may or may not be useful depending on the content (in some content it is) doesn't make the job less powerful. SCH literally has NO weakness. Great shields, pretty good HPS, great DPS, unequaled MP management and still people are complaining about Dissipation, saying it's a disappointing lvl60 skill. Well now let me remind you that WHM lvl 50 skill is benediction, something that may or may not save your tank because you'll only use it when you f***ed up and its delay can really fail you. Also you can use it only twice in a fight and actually should not use it at all if you and your tanks know what you're doing.
Every job have a very situational skill, Dissipation is SCH's. I really doubt it will be buffed, SCH is already very good...and again, people are ignoring the AF stacks and the fact that the fairy can be summoned again after 30 seconds, which conveniently is generally the duration of downtime phases is raid.

[ckc22]

I like how you just completey ignore the point of the ability, the AF stack.

The AF stack that you have to spend 2 of on energy drain (which get acc checked with no acc gear) just to come out MP equivalent, and then have time to hardcast a summon or spend your swiftcast (probably on CD if you're in a bad enough situation to use this ability anyway).

Every job have a very situational skill, Dissipation is SCH's.

The only situation in which Dissipation is useful is a dps burn phase. If you have an actual healing emergency it's almost always a mistake to use.

SCH does not need buffs. Dissapation is fine. Why would we need something this grossly overpowered while our AST brothers are suffering is beyond me.

Dissipation is total crap. Pretending otherwise is your prerogative. No one complains louder than astrologians so I'm sure they'll be overpowered in no time.

Comparing 3 lustrates to 10 embraces is comedic, one can be used in half a second, the other can take up to 25. I think I've given up on trying to explain that dissapation is an emergency cooldown for extreme situations, people keep trying to twist it into something it isn't.

No other healing job can pump out a theoretical 6x600 potency heals in 6 seconds. Meaning there is 0 content designed for that level of healing because then scholar would be mandatory and people would cry.

I think I've given up on trying to explain that dissipation is a bad emergency cooldown for non-existent situations, that leaves you worse-off than when you began, people keep trying to twist it into something it isn't. Half the people in this thread haven't even followed OP's rhetorical flourish so I'm not sure why I was expecting anything substantive.