Collective Unconcious

[Koopatroopa]

I use it when there's light healing needed or the the usual places that sacred soil is placed. Being rooted and silenced is just awful and it mostly results in me cancelling it very quickly. It sure is purdy though.

Surprisingly enough are the comments from my party members when I use it. Most of the time they state how useless it is.

[Ghishlain]

Just say I use it for my lazy mode heal I just stack my hots if everyone group I just use it to heal all together with hots I'm healing 2k+ every few secs xD there is alot of tricks u can do with AST it just a healing class that requires a brain to use lol

Why do all the pro-AST players assume every other player is... mentally inept?

[Leiloni]

Collective Unconscious is the strongest AoE heal in the game (200 potency, 6 ticks for 1200 potency), and it's free to boot, it doesn't seem so outrageous that it's also the hardest AoE heal to use. The fact that it has a smaller radius than other bubbles, and much smaller than AoE heals, roots you, and prevents you from casting, are collectively very strict limitations that bring a powerful, situational heal down to a niche ability. I feel like changing or eliminating any one of those limitations would bring up CU's game and make it more usable. It's Nocturnal Sect effect, though, is nowhere near as powerful, and needs a lot of love to become more usable.

I feel like simply making it a GtAoE instead of a channeled ability would fix all of it's problems. In Noct the 10% protection would be nice, and the smaller radius/longer CD would balance out the fact that it's free and 3 seconds longer than SS (which requires an otherwise valuable resource to use anyway). And in Diurnal sect it would actually be better than Asylum, but they also have Assize and we don't really have anything comparable anyway.

I think actually a number of small changes to various skills like this could go a long way towards making our class better. I've seen some interesting card changes that I like as well. Someone mentioned merging TP/MP cards and instead adding a new card that increases our healing potency. Granted the cards would still be RNG so you'd need to tweak other things to lessen that problem, but it's a good start.

[Bovinity]

It has the same uses as Asylum/Sacred Soil, essentially. The problems being that it's smaller than it's counterparts, roots you into position, and prevents you from continuing to cast compared to Asylum/Sacred Soil. It's not an inherently bad skill with no use, however, the uses of it are quite limited compared to it's counterparts.

That's basically the story of AST in a nutshell, isn't it?

Their abilities aren't bad, but they're just worse versions of existing things.

[Bovinity]

Why do all the pro-AST players assume every other player is... mentally inept?

Eh, it's a common thing in a lot of areas in life. Some people will try to use concepts like this to elevate themselves in their own mind.

Some part of them wants to believe that they're the unique special snowflake in the storybooks that does something no one else can do, so when everyone else says, "X is subpar" they jump in with, "Haha!! I used X and did ok, so you all must suck!!"

[Vlady]

Just test it and see how your Sacred Soil will cancel the Asylum. You're misreading the tooltip and ignoring the fact that I have tested the thing. I have absolutely no interest in telling lies to make AST look good. The more SE buffs the job, the better for me, since I main it. It can receive 50% more healing potency for all I care, it will only make me more desirable in raid groups, not the opposite. However, if you don't believe me, test it yourself. Go to Idyllshire, get a WHM in your party and ask him/her to cast Asylum in a spot then cast Sacred Soil on top of it. You'll see how it vanishes. After that, get an AST and ask the WHM to cast Asylum and the AST to use collective unconscious while under the WHM's bubble. It's simple.

Locking the astro for the entire cooldown makes it practically useless.

[Yhisa]

Why do all the pro-AST players assume every other player is... mentally inept?

Ehh? I'm not pro who said anything about being pro??? This job require u to know how other jobs works to be effective .... For example if u time spear right with a dps u and reduce there cooldown..or even with a tank to reduce his cooldown for the next tank buster.. There is alot of tricks with astrologian

[Yhisa]

Why do all the pro-AST players assume every other player is... mentally inept?

Why the hell do players make other players feel elitist just for sharing there own opinion about a class.????? I'll throw that one back to u side of the ball court

[Leiloni]

This job require u to know how other jobs works to be effective .... For example if u time spear right with a dps u and reduce there cooldown..or even with a tank to reduce his cooldown for the next tank buster.. There is alot of tricks with astrologian

While all of that is true that doesn't change the fact that we still need buffs in various areas to bring us up to par with the other healers.

[Ghishlain]

Why the hell do players make other players feel elitist just for sharing there own opinion about a class.????? I'll throw that one back to u side of the ball court

Well, you are the one claiming that AST requires a brain to play (effectively) which is passive aggressively suggesting everyone who doesn't see why AST is good lacks the intellect to play it properly.

Like I said AST requires a brain to play...

there is alot of tricks u can do with AST it just a healing class that requires a brain to use lol

I'm not sure how you think someone may not get offended by claiming that, to be honest. If you're going to make a comment like that - prepare to be flamed and be prepared to defend yourself (as you are already trying to do in multiple other threads).

With that being said, I do agree out of the three healers at this time, AST requires the most player knowledge to play at higher level.